Say It Isn't So Killer Joe? Crime Movie With That Controversial Chicken Scene.

Say It Isn't So Killer Joe? Crime Movie With That Controversial Chicken Scene.

Dave opens the show with a dangerous but hilarious X-rated topic as he adds a naughty collector’s item to his collection. Vinegar Syndrome Releasing released a 4K vintage porn, which can be described as a Westworld Parody Robot Porn Sex Party.

The discussion lines up with the scandalous movie we covered this week.

In this crime movie KIller Joe: A cop (Matthew McConaughey) who moonlights as a hit man agrees to kill the hated mother of a desperate drug dealer (Emile Hirsch) in exchange for a tumble with the young man's virginal sister (Juno Temple).

Tonight’s crime movie isn’t remembered for its wonderful cast or dense dialogue by the playwright, however, it is fondly remembered for an outrageous scene involving a forced sex act with a drumstick purchased from a KFC.

The crime movie refers to the food prop as K-Fry-C for legal reasons, but if you Google it … it claims some people call KFC K-Fry-C, but K-Fry C usually refers to the delicious fried chicken variations of Korean Fried Chicken recipes.

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Wednesday Addams From The Addams Family is getting her own show on Netflix from Tim Burton, which is great because it opens the door for more Addams Family Stories on the Netflix streaming app.

We get real about the Joss Whedon scandal as the fans talk about canceling Buffy The Vampire Slayer online, on twitter, on Facebook, and on Instagram.

We get into a tiff about how some of our co-hosts do not like to discuss difficult subjects or try to skirt around tough opinions.

One of us really loves Killer Joe, one of us got shook by it, and one of us explains why it is trauma inducing.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Okay. So first of all, dudes nickname on our show is Nikki lates because he always shows up late, or at least he did it for a little while, so much that it became like a running gag and then he just accepted. All right. I'm Nicky, late skies. And then he would say laters, when he would say like, got real. If the episode got into like, um, real life territory, or we're talking about things that are going on in the world while also watching movies. But then of course, you know, he pitches a movie to cover this week, um, on this brand new binge-watch episode because that's right. You're listening to of course the original and the greatest binge Watchers podcast. all the imitators out there. You got Johnny spoiler dangerous. Dave AA was here. He promises to come back, but Nicky is so late. He's not even going to show up. That's how lady is tonight. But he picked a movie. He picked a controversial crime movie with Matthew McConaughey and some other people like Gina Gershon and uh, Thomas Hayden church and my buddy email Hirsch. Yeah, that's right. I decided his name, his email instead of a Mel email that and tell him you're the reason I lost plane, uh, John Belushi and the John Belushi story. That was my role sucker. And you got it ever make that movie. They probably won't. Cause he actually got one arrested for battery or something. But speaking of battery, there's a lot of assault and battery in this movie. But again, Nikki, isn't here to discuss it. He picked the movie and I'm like, you know what? Maybe it's because the chicken seat is so controversial. He refuses to podcast about it. And so he just let us take the licks over right.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Cold box of wine. Oh, pull something cold on ice because it's the binge watches.[inaudible]

Speaker 1: 2:10

And speaking of taking over licks, Dave, you want to share something?

Speaker 3: 2:16

Uh, yeah. So before, uh, before we recorded, I was sampling a, a new 4k disc. Yes. I bought it on disc porn from the seventies called sex world from a company called vinegar syndrome. Uh, I, when I found out they're releasing a seventies porn on a 4k disc, I kind of felt Eves anybody. Who's watched her video. Things know that I have a huge collection on like,

Speaker 1: 2:41

I want to see the crabs you want to see. You don't want to imagine that crawling between each follicle,

Speaker 3: 2:50

Watch all of it, but it is, it is a spoof or like a take on a Westworld from the seventies. Dave said the word porn. He

Speaker 1: 3:00

Said the word 1970s porn. And I said, the word crabs, I could feel 30,000 listeners just disappearing into the midnight. Oh no. Where did it go? But take on Westworld. So they did not want their ears polluted. We may have lost like five people when I said Nicky lates. Isn't here. Oh man. But we killed by talking about seventies porn right at the top first five minutes. I was tuning in to hear about this movie killed killer. Joe David got so dangerous that he told me some dirty, dirty stories.

Speaker 3: 3:37

Well, you know what? This movie was rated NC 17. So if you're tuning in for this, you're prepared for that.

Speaker 1: 3:43

Oh, I should probably check the explicit box when they go to listen to this one. Huh?

Speaker 3: 3:48

Well, the NPAA

Speaker 1: 3:49

Or put you off, you were telling a great story where you're going along and telling us the history of seventies porn and what you were, what you were watching.

Speaker 3: 3:56

Well, there's the stars, Ms. Kay Parker of the taboo series. Who's done many. Uh, but basically I haven't watched it all yet, but it's about, uh, I, again, it's just about the sex world and uh, like Westworld and I guess there's gonna be

Speaker 1: 4:12

Yeah. From the seventies. I missed that when he said that, because I was waiting for like the punchline. Uh, no that's I want to see it now. The world sex parity. I'm writing that down. The show notes, Westworld sex parody. All right, got it. We get out of the stream party guys. There we go. Yay. Pornos. It's probably on this new app called stereo and a, you can visit us there. We'll be talking about stuff like pre show after show. Maybe some watch parties. We'll talk about that later. But um, tonight we're talking about killer Joe, if you haven't noticed, and I tip the sword, it's called sadism. So killer Joe, a crime movie, would that controversial chicken scene? Let's see. What is my impression of what this movie is about? Um, let's see, uh, dude is infatuated with a sister may or may not have been pregnant at her hires, a detective to kill his mom to collect insurance money and the step mom and the dad go along with it. Cause it sounds like a great idea on a Thursday night. Well, they hang out in the trailer watching NASCAR. Um, did I miss anything guys? No, that's I mean, yeah. We'll talk about it later. Yeah, sure. Um, those are the broad strokes. Yeah. Dave, what do you know about this movie?

Speaker 3: 5:31

Um, well, I mean, it is directed by William Preqin actually. Um, and this is from the playwright, Tracey lats who free can also had done an adaptation of his play bug. So two for two with, uh, William Friedkin and Tracey lats. Um,

Speaker 1: 5:46

Can we recover that? And we were talking about bug the horror movie.

Speaker 3: 5:49

I don't think so. Uh, it's a freaky movie, like, Ooh. Yeah. Um, but like I, one of the interesting things is a Matthew McConaughey apparently hated the script when he first read it and threw it across the room, he just thought it was viral. And that, I mean, this was still when he was in his like romcom phase. Uh, but, but that he had a friend Rita and explained, it was like, you realize this is a comedy. Like, I mean, not that McConaughey stupid, but I guess he, he read just the text, not the Subutex and thought it was didn't realize it was a comedy. So, you know, but luckily joined board,

Speaker 1: 6:23

But, huh, that's a hard sell for me, Dave. I thought he was going to bring up the chicken. So there's a scene that involves chicken. And uh, the actress says something like in this scene, it's KFC, it's obviously like a KFC type product or it's supposed to be in terms of the story it's supposed to be Campsie, but she says that tape for see now when you Google came for IC, it's usually short for a Korean fried chicken. Okay. Bri Korean fried Korean style fried chicken. Um, then I looked it up urban dictionary says that some people somewhere called KFC instead of Kentucky fried, they do call it K fried chicken. Um, but I mean, that's an unsubstantiated because urban dictionary is worse than Wikipedia for actually having some kind of support, supported information. So, um,

Speaker 3: 7:14

I like the commentary. Uh, I, I shared that clip with you. The director said, Oh, Gina goes, Sean said it was a brand of chicken called K for IC. And yet I couldn't find anything on that. So I think that might be a false thing. I think Adam might've hit the nail on the head. It's just, you know, I don't think KFC would adore endorse their product being used in that way.

Speaker 1: 7:36

Yeah. They don't want to get sued. Right. It'd be bad ashes, huh? Yeah. Well instead

Speaker 3: 7:42

They finance 15 minute lifetime movies. Okay.

Speaker 1: 7:47

All right. And that's the trivial moment, I guess we don't have more to say about killer Joe. Nick. You're not here. You. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3: 7:54

Well, I mean, it was mixed up.

Speaker 1: 7:57

Can anybody weigh in about what other Joe, he suggested it for a bad romance movie for the month. Well, we got more impressions and so forth anyway. He must've enjoyed it. No, I just called him an. Cause they'd probably get kicked out of the teasing. He usually does. So we'll see, um, home video headlines, and then we'll get back to our first impressions and favorite bits from this movie that we watched. Let's see what's going on in the world of TV and movies. I was actually really surprised. I saw a headline about Tim Burton, jumping over to Netflix by doing a live action. Wednesday Adam show from the Adams family. Oh

Speaker 3: 8:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:40

Yeah. This is really cool. What a great way to reopen the door for the Adams family. Cause they've been talking about rebooting it for awhile. How will they do it? You know? Uh, they did like the live action movies in the nineties with, uh, Christina Ricci. She was pretty much well that's like besides being the girl in Casper, Christina Ricci, what else is he known for? Sleepy hollow. She's in that movie. Right?

Speaker 3: 9:00

She, I mean, she pops up here and there, I mean, she's always around, but I think those were her biggest things.

Speaker 1: 9:06

Yeah. So she's the girl, the girlfriend and Casper for Casper best friend, whatever. It's maybe romantical who knows.

Speaker 3: 9:14

Otherwise, I think she was the love interest in like the worst movie. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. I think she was in like a, what was that? Uh, the Nicki Swardson movie, like Bucky license.

Speaker 1: 9:26

Um, you can't see this books, but Adam with his camera on he's eating, which is like a classic podcast. No-no so I'm just going to mute him. We don't have to listen to your chew anyway. Um, where were we? Oh yeah. So anyway, Christina Ricci, she played Wednesday Adams and the Adams family values. And what was the other, what was the name of the other one? Just the Adams family. Okay, cool. Then, uh, it sounds like a pretty cool show and again, you'll probably wreck the whole family, right? So you'll see like it cousin it and lurch and all, all the gangs should be there. I would think.

Speaker 3: 9:59

I hope so. Well I, what I understand is like it's mainly going to be her at an Academy called Nevermore and I don't know that's that's the most I know so far. So I don't know how much of the clan, if they're just going to pop up once in a while or I don't know, the Smallville guys are doing it. So I guess they know a thing or two about doing it.

Speaker 1: 10:20

Origin stories. Are you done with dinner? Cause now we hear a crinkling bag. I was going to ask you your opinion on the Wednesday Adams show.

Speaker 3: 10:27

What crinkling bag. If I heard it down here, brother. Oh, well I thought you muted me. I had just done it mean to you so you can feel good conversation. Oh, well I don't really have a lot to add to, you know, that's, that's a cool development. I thought that was like a week old or something. I thought we already knew that.

Speaker 1: 10:50

Well, I shared it in messenger, but I don't know if our audience knows that.

Speaker 3: 10:53

Oh, okay. I felt like the other things is supplanted that, and I don't know how long away is that anyway. Like what are we looking at two years from now? Who knows? They're just in developing.

Speaker 1: 11:06

I don't know if I have this book, but it tells you all about the bad things that boomers do. They chew into microphones. This is number like 45. Oh my gosh. It's called all the terrible things that boomers do.

Speaker 3: 11:20

All right. Well, let's see the cover. Let's see the cover of this book. What's number one

Speaker 1: 11:30

Real quick.

Speaker 3: 11:34

What's boomer. Number one. Ah. I want to know voted for Reagan twice. Cause it would have been a life to do it. Well,

Speaker 1: 11:47

Where are we? We're meandering. Okay. So the other thing I wanted to talk about was they're suggesting that the villain and Spiderman three is going to be hobgoblin, which is a, in my opinion, a better goblin than the green one.

Speaker 4: 12:00

Oh, I thought you said cob goblin. I was like[inaudible]

Speaker 1: 12:05

That's the porn that Dave was watching earlier on 4k. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 4: 12:12

Yeah. He's smoking the pipe.

Speaker 1: 12:14

Yeah. I mean, if you're going to watch porn, you know, do it the best way, lay everything out. Okay. Um, anybody else got a headliner? Can we just, just keep this train a cruising? Uh, ju oil just real quick.

Speaker 3: 12:28

Yup. Think Adam has one. Go ahead Dave. Oh, no. I was just going to say the yesterday the, uh, Cruella trailer dropped for a Emma Stone playing Korilla Deville and I kinda thought this was going to be bad, but the trailer kind of won me over. I don't know if you had a chance to see it. So some people are calling it like Disney, joker. I don't know if I'd go that far, but it looks fun. It looks kind of dark for Disney, but just right enough for kids.

Speaker 1: 12:59

Uh, yeah, I think that's great. I think it's cool that it's a prequel story and it's not just another redo of that 99 dominations or whatever. 101 Dalmatians, whatever that was. Oh my God.

Speaker 3: 13:09

Yeah. Close was the only good thing about that movie.

Speaker 1: 13:12

You even hate that childhood Disney. You never, you never liked Disney ever. Nothing.

Speaker 4: 13:17

That darn cat. I mean, look, I know I love the old original animated films. I mean, they're amazing, but then Disney died and then, you know, crooks took over.

Speaker 1: 13:27

So this entire episode so far is appropriate for stereo the X-rated conversation, the movie debates. So come and join us, come and join our channel. You know,

Speaker 4: 13:41

You get hot sizzling takes in the future. Oh my guts. Uh, tying in with the Josh Wheaton, uh, stuff from last week, uh, which is also appropriate for stereo app. Um, but the vampires player is not going to have Sarah, Michelle Gellar. You guys heard about this.

Speaker 1: 14:02

I've been skating around Buffy the vampire Slayer. It's not because Dave knows something about me and Buffy the vampire Slayer.

Speaker 4: 14:09

So when your secret loves, it's like you have it on 4k.

Speaker 3: 14:13

What that show like? No, like he, this is how he is the original. Like he is the OG binge watcher. He bought the Buffy set when it first came out like the Scarlet box and everything. It was like a presentation of

Speaker 1: 14:28

It's a well-known fact. I hate holidays and I don't really believe in Christmas. I was worried I got a job at best buy so I could afford to buy DVDs. And they came out with the entire series of Buffy on a box set for$125. I saved my pennies gentlemen. I bought it and brought it home at that time. It was with Dave. Dave says he didn't see me for like three months after this purchase.

Speaker 3: 14:55

No, no, no, no correct. Correction to that. It's I saw you every time in the same spot is what it was. I would go, I would go to work. You were sitting there watching Buffy eight hours, nine liters hours later come home, same spot Buffy. It was nuts. It was like, Oh, I thought it was only two hours. So like that movie we watched a week.

Speaker 1: 15:18

So the issue is this. I love that show. And it had a bunch of female heroes, which was a unique for the time we won a lot of female heroes on TV at the time. Like we had wonder woman before seventies, eighties, whatever, and reruns than a gap than some female attorneys. And then I'm in junior high Buffy comes out. I'm an awkward kid. Buffy makes sense to me, I feel like part of her Scooby gang. And that was the nickname. They, you know, they adopted the terms, could be gang for their little group of vampire killers and uh, you know, werewolf boyfriends and everything that was going on in that show. And like, um, I felt like I watched it for three days, but Dave told me that this was like a three month Odyssey where I was in like another pair, like a parallel dimension. And I came up from food and drink. I don't even remember going to, we had college at the time. I don't remember going to classes. Um, and I had a job at the time. So I don't know if I lost the job because I was watching too much Buffy. But now it's like, I'm like, this is kind of like Josh Wheaton's behavior on set and how and how he supposedly he treated everyone or at least the female cast members and these backdoor deals to keep his behavior out of like the public eye for 25 years. He will never, it's like, are people now supposed to go burn their DVDs? Like is Buffy the vampire Slayer canceled now? Like, well, what is the dude is like, Oh, I didn't know. Or like, uh, I'm not gonna say anything because I'm still getting residual checks. Like, um, and I hate to think it's true because he was as an art tour, he was very creative. Like he also brought Firefly. Right. So I don't know, man. Well, as far as if he did, he was just a terrible bastard, like all the rest.

Speaker 3: 17:09

Uh, well, I mean, as far as the, you have to justify to yourself whether you can watch or not. I, I hear a lot of people say, Hey, if you purchase their product before all this stuff comes out, then you're in the clear, cause it's not like you can take that money back.

Speaker 1: 17:25

Well, are you grandfathered in?

Speaker 3: 17:27

I don't know if I would watch Buffy the vampire Slayer by now. I am guilty.

Speaker 1: 17:37

Do you know what the controversy runs? Here's the thing though. Controversy runs you to the blue light I'll specials. Do you know what I'm saying? It'll it'll actually drive.

Speaker 3: 17:46

Yeah, that was one 25. Then you could probably get for

Speaker 4: 17:50

50% off now.

Speaker 1: 17:53

And it's cheaper. I think that you can stream it on one of the hosts has like all the seasons, I think the scandals special. Well, um, and it carries over to angel obviously. Cause Christmas carpenter was like, her pregnancy was on the angel show I think. And like he pushed her out or whatever. I mean the quote, the dirtiest thing that has come out is he asked her if she was going to get an abortion because it was going to affect the show that they were producing, but whatever. Um, and, thanks for opening a can of worms. I feel terrible right now.

Speaker 4: 18:23

Are you grandfathered in? If you buy it, the DVD collection set from someone that bought it before, that's an, is the grandfather. I have, I have heard the rule of if you buy a used copy, as long as proceeds do not go to the person.

Speaker 1: 18:39

Well, did you hear, uh, did you hear about the other part of canceling Buffy the vampire Slayer for political views? They wanted to get rid of, uh, the movie, the original movie with Kristin Swanson, but whatever, again, people are not supposed to be their politics. Um, and again, I mean, we're talking about like separation of art and people, but this is dangerous because it's like, I don't know, man,

Speaker 4: 19:05

This is dangerous

Speaker 1: 19:06

Territory because I want to have principles on this. I've previously said on a few different podcasts that I think you can separate people from their art and people's mistakes as people from the art that they create

Speaker 4: 19:20

Or not even necessarily mistakes. Like it's like you could support a cause that you truly believe in. And they're like, Oh, you're not allowed to be that. And so you must be canceled because there are people that disagree with you on such and such issue or whatever.

Speaker 1: 19:34

Well, this is like illicit behavior. We're not talking about people that get canceled because they make inappropriate.

Speaker 4: 19:38

Oh, I thought I'd see, I was fixing fixated on that original.

Speaker 1: 19:41

They did. They did. They have canceled a couple of people and then brought them back from cancellation. Cause they, they went overboard and they admitted that they went overboard. That was like James Gunn's situation, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4: 19:52

Yeah. Josh Sweden is not the only guy behind Buffy though. I mean, if you say

Speaker 1: 19:59

They're not condemning the female show runner, she was complacent. She knew about the behavior. She got them to sign the special contracts that said they wouldn't bring it into the public arena. Right. And there was no lawsuits. So it never got

Speaker 4: 20:14

Well, yeah. I mean, she, she went like this. She was like, let's divide Josh Sweden from the ability to do this thing because of reputation. This is the door open whenever he meets a woman

Speaker 1: 20:28

And Nick's not here to defend himself. So it's kind of rude to me to say, but like, I feel like when we get into these really touchy waters, Adam and I keep going, I like you and Nick get quiet.

Speaker 4: 20:39

Cause I mean, sometimes I, I sometimes there's subjects I won't touch. Or in this case I don't have a huge stake in this claim. Cause I've never been a huge Wieden fan. I don't hate them. I've just never latched on either.

Speaker 1: 20:53

All right. Well, pretty soon we're going to hear the stories about how Kevin Smith up a bunch of female people at the Comicon.

Speaker 4: 20:58

Oh, well see now is that real? Are you just riffing?

Speaker 1: 21:04

I guess just to let people know. Cause it be the source, right? The binge-watching

Speaker 4: 21:07

Nothing surprises me about anything anymore. Like they could just say whatever and I'm, I've started to kind of be like, and it becomes real, right? Where's the trial. That's that's what I started asking myself. Where's the trial

Speaker 1: 21:20

Right here. We're qualified to condemn. You let's go. Oh yeah, no, I am joking. I'm Joseph, Johnny. I'm joking because Kevin Smith is a similar podcast or he likes similar movies as we do. And, and Dave's a huge Kevin Smith fan.

Speaker 4: 21:36

We're going to hear from, uh, Kevin's uh, lawyers, attorney team.

Speaker 1: 21:40

Actually what we heard was that Kevin did not want to be a guest on our show. We actually that's what we heard.

Speaker 4: 21:45

Oh man. Well that can't be true. I mean, of course,

Speaker 1: 21:48

Absolutely true. There was a series of emails. Four emails said he would, he's going to, yes, we can set up getting an interview done. I talked to two managers and his assistant and then dot, dot, dot Kevin.

Speaker 4: 22:02

Super true. This story. I don't know

Speaker 1: 22:09

What, what

Speaker 4: 22:10

Kevin, the groper true. This story. I don't know. Wow. No, no, no.

Speaker 1: 22:19

He doesn't know which way to go with this podcast. They don't know what they're writing down as facts and or not.

Speaker 4: 22:26

Well, I was just going to say those things. I missed that John was playing the role of relaxer while he was, uh, while he was watching Buffy and that, uh, he only got up for taco Tuesdays.

Speaker 1: 22:40

All right. Well, here's the problem. You made a reference to something that the audience has no frame of reference for. They don't know what you're talking about. That's okay.

Speaker 4: 22:51

Okay. Moving along. It's a movie, you look it up.

Speaker 1: 22:54

He called relaxer where dude is, uh, you know, kind of at a time more for himself playing a video game as a challenge. But Adam fell dimension that we watched this movie together during a watch party privately the three of us and then podcasts, but not about that. Um, we might get to that eventually, but uh, yeah, go look at that movie. And I mean, that's what I would've maybe said, but again, hindsight is 2020. Uh,

Speaker 4: 23:23

I thought we mentioned it on the last pod.

Speaker 1: 23:27

We might say it. Sometimes it gets confusing between all the text messages we send in the messenger. That's not public than to actually doing the show.

Speaker 4: 23:36

Yeah, we did that. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know a call back. Not a disciplinary. Like it ended up being

Speaker 1: 23:46

No sure. W without, we've only discussed Kentucky fried chicken about this movie. So I guess the into,

Speaker 4: 23:54

I didn't get to finish off my news story. I was interrupted.

Speaker 1: 23:58

Well, you broke my heart. So we're just going to keep trucking.

Speaker 4: 24:01

I have to say it it's one line, Sarah Michelle Gellar said she's way too tired and cranky to put that work in, uh, put in that work again to be Buffy. So that's it on that? Sorry, John new Buffy's coming

Speaker 1: 24:18

Well, here's a spoiler alert. I haven't done these in awhile. I'm going to spoil the end of Buffy now. Oh no, I haven't seen it. Okay. Pastor powers on to 25 potential slayers, then they did two seasons as a comic book that told you what happens to them. So she's not the only vampire killer, but in their universe originally, there can only be one at a time kind of like the Highlander, uh, with less beheading. There's a lot of beheading and Buffy.

Speaker 4: 24:48

Yeah. But slightly less, just a little bit less, more, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 24:55

Not sure. All right. First impressions of tonight's movie day.

Speaker 3: 25:02

Uh, I, I instantly loved this movie when I saw it. Uh, when I was first out in theaters, uh, it is just a dark, dark, dark sense of humor, which I love. Um, I don't know, uh, the performances are great. I mean, it's, you can clearly tell it's adapted from a play like it's each scene is very you're in that location. I mean, I was about to say something really stupid. Cause every movie, every scene is in their location, but you can tell like extended monologuing and so forth, but, uh, the actress pulled it off. Well, I really, really in watching it again this week. I really, really love this movie.

Speaker 1: 25:41

[inaudible] little,

Speaker 3: 25:43

A little B my first impression was

Speaker 1: 25:45

I loved it. I don't know. I'm never good at these things, Adam.

Speaker 4: 25:52

Well, uh, my impression was this movie is a terrifying to me because, uh, I feel like these characters are way too real and they exist out there somewhere in the same world that I live in. And frankly, I mean, this is more of a horror movie for me than some of the horror movies we've watched. I could agree

Speaker 1: 26:15

The first impression segment from the whole show. Nobody gets it. It's your, it's your impression of the tagline or your impression of like the trailer? Like, uh, yeah. And I think having watched the movie, I think, I think it's toxic because having watched the movie it's filtering in, it's not a first impression, right? So I think I'm going to cut this bit altogether. Uh, whack it right out. Um, every time you go to commercials, when it gets awkward, let's see, all right, listeners, you can join us on the stereo app. You want to slide for the after parties or go behind the scenes. We're going to have some Q and a panels. We're going to do some watch parties and movies, probably gonna do them brunch style. So we're going to do this like on Sunday mornings, but Hey, we'll, we'll send you notifications. If you join us on the app, you can download the stereo app and follow us@stereo.com forward slash Johnny spoiler. I want to know things like she'll be canceled. Buffy. The vampire Slayer is Tom Hanks. The last of a dying breed of actor, et cetera, et cetera. We're going to bring topics like that. You can join the conversation live. You can tell us what you feel. You can talk about the topic and you can join in. That's what we're going to get started talking together. stereo.com forward slash Johnny spoiler from binge Watchers podcast. Of course the live social conversation app is stereo. Join us over there for a wide range of genres. We're going to bounce back and forth between comedy movies, horror movies, and movie headlines of the day, and weigh in on what the audience really thinks. And you'll be able to contribute to those conversations. And it's pretty casual. There'll be like kind of like instant podcasting or a very personal version of podcasting. And you'll be able to crew, you know, connect directly to us as creators. We tested it out. It's pretty fun. I found a watch party for a movie called the founder, which is about the guy who took over McDonald's Ray crock. That was pretty interesting. I contributed and found some new friends on stereo and that's pretty Cracker. It's cool for it. Um, so it'll be fun, exclusive content and an opportunity to join the conversation live. So we'll see you for the brunch, with a mystery movie. We'll ask you a question. So tune in on Sunday for the binge-watched podcast. I don't know. How do you think that went? I think we're going to like what I just said about their applications. I don't know. It seems like a, it seems like a good little pitch there. I wanted to check out that stream that you were talking about. Was it with the people that had just watched the movie or like, I think I joined in for like two minutes. I think they were watching it and we were hearing them talk over, I mean, kind of like a commentary without seeing the movie. Oh yeah. They set up a, a Netflix watch party, you know, like, um, tele party, which is it used to be called Netflix a party or whatever. Now it's called tele party. Okay. I haven't heard of that. I think it'll be cool. Well, I mean, obvious, I didn't want to watch this movie. I'm not, I'm not very excited about tonight's episode folks. I, I don't, I just didn't want to kill her, Joe. I watched it maybe four times. I thought I had watched it with one of the boys here, but I guess not.

Speaker 4: 29:54

Um, but

Speaker 1: 29:58

I mean, Adam already said it it's a little too real. I mean, like some of this movie feels like I'm just at a family barbecue, so I don't need it. I've had a traumatic life. I don't need to watch it in a movie. It, you know, I have certain movies, so it's not something I'm going to seek out. Um, binge now, not for me, uh, binge later I've already watched it. So I can't really honestly do a binge now binge later. So bins never because the most resident scene involves a piece of chicken and otherwise you don't need it. And I don't think even Matthew McConaughey enjoy it. I don't think he, and we're alive. He must be a real sweet guy because I don't think he can be a murderer because he, he did not do.

Speaker 4: 30:42

I don't buy it. So. Wow. All right. Well, I think the problem for me is that I did buy it and, uh, I didn't enjoy it. I didn't see the dark humor in it. I saw I saw abusive, abusive relationships that were being paraded around as entertainment. And while there is much to like about this movie is shot. Well, uh, it's acted phenomenally. Um, I think the, the real shock moment for me is not the chicken scene. It is earlier in the film where he has moved himself, ended into their space to act on his like retainer, um, and seduces a young girl that's, uh, addled she's away because of the, there's a huge misconception there she is of age in the play or excuse me in the movie and the play. She dresses young, but she is she's of age. Well, I'm not saying she's, uh, under age, I'm just saying she's addled. Like she's under age mentally. Definitely. That's absolutely correct. Yes. And there's a, there's this huge mismatch between the, those two people, uh, regardless of age, like is she is been made simple and explains that her mom tried to kill her, but she survived. So now she's, she's looks at the world different is where they keep saying, but they're dancing around the fact that, you know, um, she had some serious oxygen deprivation and, uh, that aspect to it, it adds to the abusive level of the move that he's making. Like, it's one thing. If somebody is making a move like that, and she had been a hundred percent, all of her marbles, right. But it just seemed, it just felt so wrong. It was gross feeling. I watch it with someone and they, they, they had to stop watching at that moment. And I remember seeing this years ago, and it was very shocked by it, but I thought it was a good, like a really well-made film and it is a well-made film, but it's not a feel good. Uh, and I can't see the dark humor element. It's the humor is so dark. They've lost me. Um, but it not to say that performance was, I mean, at the end of the film, you're just kinda like, uh, and it definitely ends on a, like a humorous note, uh, in an, in very, very dark humor at the very end. But before that, the way McConaughey is really dialing in that character, I felt like he became someone that in life, I would do everything in my power to avoid. And here I am in the room with them seeing how he does the things that I hate people doing. And it's

Speaker 3: 33:41

Anyway, I, okay. So God, Nick, why are you not here tonight? Because now I'm like the alone person championing this movie. Um, I mean, you make fine points and like, those are things that cannot really debate you on because I, I do, I do agree with you, but, uh, you know, some of the darker stuff, but, um, I think this movie is hilarious. I mean, yes, there's some abuse towards women and I mean, that's not, that's not funny even in the context of the movie that part's not funny.

Speaker 4: 34:12

I don't think it was intended to be necessarily either. I think you're supposed to ground it.

Speaker 3: 34:16

Yeah. But because yes, this movie has a dark humor, but yes, there are very grounded moments. Now, I think like John, I mean, I don't know where he, I kinda know where you grew up, but like, I didn't grow up in Texas, but I grew up in a town that's not too far off from what this movie represents. Um, just, you know, in California and without the Twain, um, I, you know, like, I'm sorry, I've got family members that I could see becoming like an, a male Hirsch, like in, in the right circumstance or I'm sorry. Cause I can't remember the character's name. I could see this. I mean it killing, sending a contract to kill somebody. He's not funny, but the way in which these characters try to perform it is just ridiculous. Like nobody, you know, the final revelation of who's screwing over who is like, are you mixing up humor with mellow drama? Cause it is melodrama. It's a stage play on screen, but not necessarily humor. It's definitely, I mean it's well, melodrama can be funny and, you know, taken to a degree. I mean it's melodrama to the nth degree. I mean, yeah. I mean, in my S my seriously, the only one that really saw this as a dark comedy, or, I mean, are you guys taking it like more serious? I don't know. You know? Um, I think because I know Carrie, because I know of like, not the killer Joe character, but like, I, I'm sorry. I know people just like the, the parents or the janitor, Sean and the Thomas Hayden church character. I know people just like that, that are just stupid as bricks and just go through life without wanting more than in front of their TV, you know, and, you know, uh, that don't have a huge education and that's, I'm not demeaning people like that

Speaker 1: 35:55

Let's debate. It would be great for the stereo app because it could be like, is killer Joe a comedy or melodrama question, Mark, question Mark, talk to us and let us know, join the conversation.

Speaker 3: 36:07

Yeah. I mean, I wish I wish we had others to interact. I mean, I'm, it's two against one and like, that's fine. I mean, these are your feelings. I can't debate your feelings, but like, I think this is absolutely a comedy. Um, I mean the very first scene you got, you know, caught, you know, somebody's bushing that kid's face. I get your bushes. I mean, like it's clearly like that SA that opening scene, you're kind of set up like, okay, this is, this is going to be funny. I mean, not everything, but, uh, it's a very dark humor. It's very, you know, um, I don't know. I guess it's hard. I wish I had Nikki to bounce off me, uh, for, with me, but somebody can pretend to be Nick. And, uh, maybe you could just be Nick now for a couple of minutes and knickknack, uh, um, a humorous note. It definitely does.

Speaker 1: 37:00

No, he would remain neutral. He would back up each one of us cause he doesn't want anybody to feel bad.

Speaker 3: 37:06

Um, I mean, this movie is full of great performances. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:10

Nick kind of, you know, simmers down everybody's tempers on the show. Um, I mean like,

Speaker 3: 37:17

But seen at the pizza shop, I mean, that's clearly that clearly portrays comedy like, and Jennifer Sean's performance, and this is amazing. Like there's a scene where she's at a PHC pizza waitress serving it up and he's like

Speaker 1: 37:29

One line of dialogue to make it a comedy. Then it's the outrageousness of the tragedy at the very end of the movie, because it makes you think of the movie in entirely different context. Um, and this is the spoiler alert. What, where are we in like 40 minutes in, uh, skip ahead a few seconds or turn it off now because I'm about to ruin the whole movie. The ending is the little girl says, and David says she's of age. I don't got no confirmation on that. I haven't seen her ID, uh, Juno Temple's character or whatever goes I'm pregnant. She's about to shoot Joe on the face. It goes to black. We don't know, we can't, we don't know one way or the other. She shoots Joe in the face, but meanwhile, the brother's dad, who's the real daddy he's dead. So, you know, uh, I'm, I'm pretty much speculating that I don't know if the play confirms it or, um, if there's another way to figure this out, but I, I am thinking that the brother is actually the dad

Speaker 3: 38:22

There's allusions to that and you'll, I don't, we'll never know. And then, you know, unless the screenwriter playwright says so, but yeah, I, what clue did you follow to think that was the case there? You didn't feel their relationship was bordering on incestuous. Like there, he thought it was familial and he's a brother that doesn't want her simple sister he's protected.

Speaker 1: 38:48

She was pitting the suitors against each other and she was trying to choose a suit. Or during the dinner scene, she had already had sex with the brother. That's why he was awkward about the, whether or not he can confirm their virginity, X, Y, and Z. Like, and again, maybe they Dave and I, because we speak this language, we know these people

Speaker 3: 39:09

Look, I mean, look, I have no doubt that that's like some director's note or something like that. But I do not think that's the case. I don't not. What I saw was familial someone protecting like their younger sister. That was Adam. Jeez,

Speaker 1: 39:25

You missed the tone though. The movie is about an incest.

Speaker 3: 39:33

We'll never know. I mean, you know, it could be, it could be the brother's kid. I mean, it's still cause it could still be okay. We'll never need it,

Speaker 1: 39:44

But we gotta, we gotta move on or we can continue to talking about it on the stereo app. But for this type of debate and more riveting conversations where we have to figure out is this movie a comedy or is it really about incest? Don't miss the Bridgewaters podcast after party over on the stereo app, we're going to go live on Sundays with our brunch. You can tell us what you're having for breakfast and joining them with the conversation as live stereo app is the live social conversations app. We're gonna talk to you directly. You, our listeners, you can join the show, ask questions about these dangerous topics that we just brought up about movies and television and film. And what the hell are we really watching and share your experiences and opinions? I said earlier, something was traumatic to me. Maybe you can tell me if trauma is triggered when you watch movies, who knows. And also if you think really terrible, things are funny. We want to hear everything you could download now and join us. Live this weekend, grab a link in our show description. It's stereo.com pork slash my name, Johnny spoiler. And you'll be able to connect with the other hosts, cause we're all linked up on there and we'll continue this conversation later. Other than that, we hope you enjoyed this very, very intriguing show that Nick missed out the entire show.

Speaker 3: 40:57

Uh, why, why Nick? Why did you leave me alone here? What's that just asking Nick why'd you leave me alone on this one?

Speaker 1: 41:05

Um, so let's recap what happened? Things maybe got very real and Nick actually missed it a chance to really say it and actually mean it. Um, where can you find this? Well, everywhere. If you're still listening and having canceled our show, we're at BW podcast.com. So join us for some of our movie chats as they happen on the stereo app, you can join in and talk to us directly as a reminder, I just told you that three times, but now, you know, for sure. Um, but if you're a boomer, you might trouble signing up. We had to draw them roadmap earlier and then we recorded that conversation and then I, and then it came back to haunt me, but that's, you know, and also exciting element of stereo is the conversations live on and people can interact with them at any time. Let's see what's for next week. What is it

Speaker 5: 41:51

Dying in anticipation, I guess it's killer jokes

Speaker 1: 41:57

For next week, because then we'll lose another listener. Goodnight folks.

Speaker 5: 42:38

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