The Legendary Bromances of Young Guns 2

TONIGHT’S MOVIE? Young Guns 2 

Billy the kid emerges from The New Mexican desert trying to clear his name for his part in the Lincoln County Wars in his youth, the authorities believe Billy the Kid was shot dead by his friend, Pat Garrett, and so Billy The Kid corrects the narrative and this movie jumps in as the surviving members of the Regulators reunite and get some new recruits as the governor sends a posse after them...Direct sequel to Part 1 and there are so many callbacks to Part 1, you should really watch them as a double feature.

Young Guns was a western starring the 80s brat pack and made for the MTV Generation.

It had Emilio Estevez as William H. "Billy the Kid" Bonney

• Kiefer Sutherland as Josiah Gordon "Doc" Scurlock
• Lou Diamond Phillips as Jose Chavez y Chavez
• Charlie Sheen as Richard "Dick" Brewer
• Dermot Mulroney as "Dirty Steve" Stephens
• Jack Palance as the cattle baron

The sequel brings back Emilio Estevez, Kiefer Sutherland,  and Lou Diamond Phillips adds Alan Ruck, Balthazar Getty, and Christian Slater.

Also western legend James Coburn in a bit part, he was the original Pat Garret actor in Pat Garett and Billy The Kid, 70s movie with Kris Kristopersion by Sam Peckinpah.

The movies take a lot of liberties with history.  One character who died in Part 1 was alive at a famous shootout depicted in Part 2 and they attribute his death to another character in Part 2 who survived the shooting.

But the soundtrack got an original song out Of Bon Jovi, an award winning billboard chart topping song and if I could afford the rights I would have played it here … “Blaze of Glory,” This is actually on my favorite Bon Jovi album, which is inspired by the movie. I guess Emilio went to Bon Jovi and asked him to make music. 

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• Christopher Plummer died. What’s some of your favorite of his movies? Knives Out, Beginners, Star Trek VI, and Dracula 2000.
• What do you guys think about this ever evolving scandal with Marilynn Manson?
• It might be tabloid week because of his creepy role in The Little Things, stories of Jared Leto’s creepiness are spreading on the net … like one about how he started throwing private shows on an island to high paying fans and now these are spiritual retreats held annually and they call him prophet…
• Here is Google translate and a podcast running wild with no fact checking ,,, Adam Driver got accused of assaultng a Spanish co star on the Don Quixote set… xcome to find out it was during rehearsals and it was his chair bumping her when he stood up as his character...

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The worst relationship in this movie might be between the cowboys and their horses, some of our favorite bits include all of the scenes with Christian Slater, the morality tale built into the legends, and the joke of the horse not being able to stop that appeared to be one of the heroes doing something courageous

 Next week we explore the bad romance

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Last time I binge Watchers. What did we do? We actually figured out that the best relationship and more like two was between the warlock and his magic rocks. Thanks Nikki. Late for that assessment and the killer quote of the episode highlights that came from you posted that people love window intended. And, uh, we also determined the movie was stupid fun. I think, I think, uh, Dave, I think they came from you, but we're kind of all divided, uh, about the world, like series two of us. Favorite part one over this entry. And uh, the whole episode actually broke down like a mini discussion at warlock, the video game Genesis. Yeah. If you haven't played that episode, go back and listen to it. And we're not necessarily endorsing say, go over super NES, but you know, have it at your will. You know, you can get an emulator now and play all the games probably unlocked 16.7 million colors. Um, tonight's movie, we're actually going to discuss the legendary bromances of young guns too. Correct?

Speaker 2: 1:00

Cold box of wine. Oh, pull something cold on ice because it's the binge watches.[inaudible]

Speaker 1: 1:33

Young guns team. So in this one, though, the kid comes out of the new Mexican desert. He wants to clear his name for his part in the Lincoln County Wars and his youth, all the authorities believe Billy, the kid was shot dead by his friend, Pat Garrett. But this Billy kid shows up the correct, the narrative and the movie jumps around and returns to the surviving members of the regulators. They get reunited. And then he gets a new recruits because the governor is sending out a new policy to track them down. It's kind of a direct continuation or SQL if you will depart part one. So, uh, since there's so many callbacks about the events in part one, maybe you should watch them as like a double feature. And what was the original young guns? All right. It's kind of historic. And the fact that it brings together some of the eighties brat pack actors that are really famous at that time. And they're kind of like the quintessential faces of the MTV generation. So that's what young guns is. It's a gen X Western let's touch a thing could exist with MTV style editing and music thrown into the soundtrack with a bunch of crazy Western fights and all that crap. Uh, it had Emily who SOS as Billy, the kid. He saw Melendez, Josiah doc Scurlock, Lou Don Phillips says Jose Chavez. Each of this Charlie sheen is Dick brewer. Dermot Roni is dirty. Steve and Jack Palance has the cattle Baron. Most of these characters were actually legendary figures in the old West, in Billy, the kid's gang and his associates, whatever. So, um, well SQL was going to bring back.[inaudible] keep it subtle. Lou diamond Phillips is going to add Alan ruck. You might remember him is cam and from Ferris Bueller or the ill-fated commander of the second enterprise and, uh, Rafa con about the Dari Getty. I'm not sure. I don't remember what I've seen him in first, but he's in here as well. And the Christian Slater of course, throwing other A-listers in the mix plane, a famous guy from the West as well, Arkansas Dave Rutenbar who was competing with Billy Kidd for popularity. You control the gang of this movie. Also, you're going to get Western legends like James Coburn and a bit part, but actually he played Pat Garrett in the original Pat Garrett and Billy the kid, which is a seventies movie that came out Kris Kristofferson done by Sam Peckinpah. Check that one out. Doesn't move. We take a lot of liberties with history, absolutely one character who died in part one was alive with the famous shootout that's depicted in part two. And that they attribute his death to another character in part two, who actually survived that shooting as well. Um, like Chavez, Chavez, famous survives, but dies in this movie, doc Scurlock. He takes a shot at this shootout in part two that was intended for a guy named Charlie brewer, but his character died and the guy he was based on died in part one. And then, you know, there's, you couldn't have like a history teacher talking about this movie or I'm sure they would.

Speaker 3: 4:13

Yeah. I feel like this is wrong.

Speaker 4: 4:17

Disclaimer, at the end of the movie, that was like, none of these people are intended to be representative people alive or dead or whatever. And I just chuckled because I watched all the credits like, yeah, that's not true. You know, like all of historical it's historical fiction. Sure. But to act like, yeah, this isn't based on Billy, the kid, I came up with my own Billy, the kid is just sure, sure did.

Speaker 1: 4:44

But you know what we got out of this movie, if nothing else, we got a really killer soundtrack with an original song that hit the charts. What's the number one on the billboards by Bon Jovi. He's actually has a cameo in the movie too, but email us, or has, I guess, went to him and asked, Hey, make some music for this. Um, if we had the ability to buy music rights, we'll be playing that song on this episode. But for sure, I'm sure it's really expensive songs, blaze of glory. So I'm sure that you I'm sure it's not, you can't really buy that one split or anything or I don't know. Um, so we'll be back with our favorite bits from young guns too, in a bit, but first we're going to jump over to some headlines. Uh, I don't know, unfortunately, I mean, again, when people live in their nineties, I, I don't really feel about that. They're dead. Cause I mean, they got almost a whole century on the planet, you know, so, and this guy's a famous actor. So as far as I can tell he did it right. And he had a good life. Uh, Christopher Plummer died recently. And I just wanted to ask, what are some of your guys' favorite movies of his?

Speaker 3: 5:45

Was he a nice out, right? I thought he was great in that. I really liked him in that. I don't know a lot of his movies. I never saw the sound of music, but I liked them in nice out.

Speaker 5: 5:58

I think that's the one who won the Oscar for playing the commandant or whatever in the, I think so too. Well,

Speaker 6: 6:04

Well actually he won the Oscar for the movie I'm I'll mention, which is a beginner's, which is about, uh, um, a father, uh, Ian McGregor is in his fault. Um, and Christopher Plummer's his father who comes out as gay after his mother dies or, you know, his wife dies and it's, I don't know, man. Uh, it's just a beautiful movie. Like that's, that was one of my favorites of the year that came out and you know, it's a good movie worth checking out.

Speaker 5: 6:32

Hmm. Adam.

Speaker 4: 6:34

Oh, uh, I liked him and star Trek. The undiscovered country, hang on. It was like, it was like, Whoa, is that Christopher Plummer? Wow. That's pretty, pretty cool. He's also in one of my favorite movies, but he doesn't play a big role. Um, 12 monkeys he's in there. Yep.

Speaker 6: 6:52

I saw, I saw he was in that, but I can't remember what he was.

Speaker 4: 6:55

He was like on the council. Oh, okay. Yeah. It wasn't, uh, it was kind of like a, Hey, are you my friend? I'm Terry Gilliam. And it's like, yeah, I'll be in your thing. I don't know. I just imagined, I imagined it's like that dude. He's been in like everything. Oh my gosh. He's been in so many roles and no matter what he does, he elevated the, the film for having been in it. He never took away. Like I've never seen anything with a man. And it was just like, Oh man, what's he doing in there? That was, that was off. No, it was always on, he was always bringing something to the table, huge talent. He seemed to have a joy in his performances, by the way. Like even no matter what he's doing, like he was living his dream. He was doing exactly what he was born to do. He seemed to be having fun on everything that you guys pick up on that. What do you think? I think so.

Speaker 5: 7:54

Yeah. Yeah. Didn't he take over, uh, Kevin Spacey's role in that? Uh, yes he did. I actually just watched that. Okay.

Speaker 6: 8:04

Great job in that movie. The whole movie is talking about,

Speaker 4: 8:07

But when we talking about the money

Speaker 5: 8:09

In the world, all the money in the world, cause that's related to getting family in both. Those are gays in the movie you were talking about, but uh, but yeah, they shot the whole movie and then they like cut and pasted Christopher Plummer over Kevin Spacey. You know what I mean? Or they like cut them into the scenes. Like that's amazing.

Speaker 6: 8:27

They like had like him and Mark Walberg and um, Michelle Williams do like a bunch of scenes just to get in like 10 days.

Speaker 5: 8:34

Yeah. They did it like really quick from I heard cause the movie, they, they still kept the release date from what I remember. Well, like even, um,

Speaker 6: 8:42

Uh, you know, really Scott said, I it's easy, it's cut and paste. Like I know the scenes I need to do just, they need to act it and put them in because they weren't like ha special, heavy effects scenes or anything. It was pretty much just redo it. He did

Speaker 4: 8:56

A lot of voiceover too. And his career, I mean, he was like in an, in an American tale, uh, is one of the characters. Yeah. Then I watched the other mouse movie. It was a great mess detective. That's a good one too. I saw that

Speaker 1: 9:16

Anatomy and stuff, but uh, I also liked him and that star Trek movie and discovered country is the villain. He played like the clean on general. It didn't want to broker peace with us, dirty humans. And then, uh, anybody likes Shakespeare in the movie for some reason that was his whole character's bag. It's like, you haven't heard Shakespeare kids Tillotson clean on and a movie like him. And he played[inaudible] in indirectly 2000.

Speaker 4: 9:37

Heck yeah. I forgot about that.

Speaker 1: 9:40

So he kept alive one, it was blood. So I could fight Dracula in the future. How about that?

Speaker 4: 9:46

Go figure that's how you do it.

Speaker 1: 9:49

Yeah. And then, uh, there's this ever evolving scandal of course, with Marilyn Manson and the, I don't know what to think about this. Like he had one person come out and say that, you know, all the evidence she presented to like, uh, you know, uh, Supreme court and the FBI or something was all, you know, PR perpetuated abuse from him, you know, what was on drugs, whatever, during their whole span of their entire relationship. But like, if you go back and look at his biography, he's like a Mormon kid. And he asked the parents to marry her and all this crap. But, um, you know, she's famous, he's famous. So who really knows. And then what's funny is like all the other Xs have come out of the woodworks and they're like, Oh, you didn't do this to me. You didn't do that. You can do this. And then like, but then I saw a pretty damaging article from another accuser and I was like, well, it seems accurate. But then like, then the police have to go do a, what a welfare check at his mansion, you know? Cause somebody heard screaming and like, I don't know why that would perpetuate having to go there. But you know, probably the guy with the star maps was like, Oh, I'm going to be famous today, paparazzi, you know,

Speaker 4: 10:52

Hi blushes and be like, Hey, let me out.

Speaker 1: 10:56

But what happened? So fast was like, boom, his record deals off the table. Boom he's record. Company's gone. He was supposed to be in the new season of American gods. That's gone. He was going to be in another, uh, show season a creep show, slender that's gone. That happened like instantly, like within 24 hours of the other Accurus posting the story and he was

Speaker 4: 11:16

Crazy, but I don't want

Speaker 1: 11:18

A lawsuit for, for myself. But the whole thing is, is like something about her has always bothered me. Like something about her persona has always bothered me. Like she seems like, like somebody that if they wanted to, could you store your whole career if they want it to. Right. That's just my perception of this person. So, you know, I, whatever, and it's an Instagram post. It's not like a court of law, but instantly it's in the court of public opinion. And I was like, well, it's kind of like a ironic thing to talk about it on a podcast because also we're just talking, having a conversation, talking about opinions, right? Like we're not in an authority. Right. But speak for yourself, kid. What are you sure? What are you posting on social media then you're suddenly introducing like what millions of people to weigh in on something that's going on in your life. Right. So I like why is that the Avenue? And the timing is also really strange. It's like, I think about these scandals. And I think like, Oh, usually it's correlated with money. Like somebody's check runs out and then boom, the thing. But she, I think probably has more money than him. So I don't think in this situation, it's the money gag thing, you know? Um, but then again, people turn out to be bastards. Like I had a boss, it turned out to be a real bastard, did a whole bunch of crazy. And like, as soon as the th the check that he was paying this dude ran out, the dude held a press conference and it was in the front page of the newspaper. You know what I'm saying? And then we're having like a meeting, a company meeting where he was like, yeah, I did all this stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And this is going on for 10, 10 years or whatever. So then it's like, Oh yeah, we have no idea who you are. We clock in at your company. And then we go home and apparently you're a vampire, you know what I mean? So, and then, and then it goes back to like that whole thing, like, you know, an artist is not their art. Right. So, and then I'm like, Oh yeah. And like half the world is still divided about like a Michael Jackson thing. And then I go, Oh, but if we talk about the Maryland thing or, or even relate it to any other issue is it's like, we're veering into no man's land or the, the two no-nos on our show, no politics, no religion and looks, but it's also movie news, right. Because this is like, our whole industry is now being dismantled and everything's being microscope. Right. Like, and everything apparently is a problem. I mean, it just, it seems like that, like, there was another podcast interview that a Spanish actors did and that's one of our other updates, but that, that relates to like, um, actually a Google translate problem. And like the whole thing is like, not actually true, but that escalated for like 48 hours. Right. So we'll get deeper into that, but it's also misinformation. It's like stuff travels so fast who knows what's right. And what's wrong. And who knows what actually is what it is. You know what I mean? So that being said, I know I've said a lot on that, on the topic. We'll just go down through our little tribe here and figure out what everybody, what everybody says about the stories or things. Uh, let's go to Nick. What do you gotta think about this Marilyn Manson stuff

Speaker 3: 14:07

Too early to say, it's still, he said, she said for me, so I really don't know. I think, you know, if there's evidence against him, hell yeah. Put them away. But if there's not, then she should be banned from Hollywood or something. You know what I mean? I just, I don't know enough yet.

Speaker 6: 14:28

Um, you know, at the end of the day, I think, you know, we've had a lot of conversation in the group chat, um, at the end of the day, only those people truly know, I will say, uh, it doesn't look good for Marilyn Manson. Um, I'm leaning, I'm leaning a little more towards, it's probably true, but again, that's without solid evidence. That's just my opinion, you know, based off of everybody that's

Speaker 4: 14:52

Coming forward right now. Wow. It's almost like our entire society is, uh, they not, we no longer inherently internalize the idea that we're innocent until proven guilty. And there's no need for the court of public opinion is more important than an actual courtroom where evidence there's rules for evidence and how it's introduced you. Can't just, you know, tell total fiction on people. When I was little, the people down the street, uh, claimed that I purposely jumped on a kid's arm to break it, which was, uh, just about as far from the truth as was possible. He tripped. And then I tripped on his foot and my knee hit his elbow and broke his arm. I mean, that's what happened, but they tried to put intent on me and that I was trying to hurt him. And I remember, uh, having kids, all the kids in the neighborhood were coaxed into giving false testimony by his father. And I'll never forget that. And I just very, I just think things need to be vetted to the nth degree. And if somebody had some kind of, you know, uh, abusive, like what is it abusive? Even? What, what even is that? What is abusive? Like can people getting into an argument with each other where they say things that make each other angry because they get off on the dopamine rush. Is that abusive? Did he hit her with a stick? I mean, did he smack her with his hand? Is there physical abuse or is just all verbal? Like, to me, it seems, I haven't read the accounts and fall or anything. I mean, maybe you guys could give me some like, input on that, but it just seems like we need to wait for the court and the, in the legal system.

Speaker 1: 16:28

I mean, that's the, that's the problem with being famous is like, everybody knows your business. Like, it's, you'd probably be behind, you know, a private court setting or civil court or something, you know what I mean? Um, and I look at the Johnny Depp thing, right? Like they've pretty much proven that is it Amber heard that was his ex wife that she lied, but he still suffered, he was still found guilty in one trial and like he lost his Disney contract. So it doesn't really matter. It's, uh, it is almost a, a personal opinion thing. But I remember reading, um, about like police psychology and criminology and how they solve crimes. Like society builds up such a mob mentality that it almost, at one point it's just, they just want somebody to be guilty so they can sleep at night. So it's like, they just got to find somebody that did it. So like in police procedural stuff, it's almost like, like with the gosh. So it's like, they, they just need to find somebody that, that doesn't like, if you look at all these case histories and stuff like that, you listened to like true crime stuff, watching any of those shows or listen to the podcasts, like in police activities, it's just like somebody has to be guilty, but trying to find somebody that's guilty may not be the guilty party, but then it puts the society. It puts the town at ease. Right. And if the

Speaker 5: 17:54

Town feels like he's guilty and they don't

Speaker 1: 17:57

Do anything about it, I mean, but even Stephen King had a great story about this. What was the story where the creature would take on your face or whatever, like what would turn into you and then have like your DNA on it or whatever, and commit all of these crimes, let's actually meet out of this thing. What was it? The outsider it's pretty good. I don't know if you guys

Speaker 5: 18:16

Know. I heard it was good. Yeah. It's

Speaker 1: 18:17

Pretty good. Like, you know, the guys, the guy, who's the, he, wasn't a comedic actor, but now he's in serious stuff. Oh, Jason babies. So he's in this thing and like he's at two different places at the same time. And one is a murderer, right. Horrible child murder. And then he's at a teacher's conference and they're like, Oh, well, you know, your DNA is all over the scene of the crime. And he's like, I'm at a conference in a whole different city. And then like, and then it's completely supernatural. And they find out later how it works, right? Like this thing scratches you and get your DNA and then turns into a clone of you essentially. It's like a doppelganger view and then goes and commits crimes. And then like, then it disappears and you're, that's it, you know? Um, wow. Yeah. It's pretty creepy. But speaking of other creepy things, there's other tabloid stories going around about the little things, the movie that came out. Right. Cause Jared Leto plays like the main suspect in that movie. But the whole concept of the movie is you wonder the entire time of who did it. Right. It's really like the cops trying to prove that this guy did it, but what's terrifying about the movie is, well maybe, maybe not. Maybe he didn't do it. How do you put the clues together in time before the movie ends to figure it out? You know? Um, but because of this movie, they started bringing up all these Jared little stories, right? Like he's a Tory sleep method, actor, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then there's like articles being published, um, about some private Island, his like high pain fans go there. He does private with his band, but then he walks around and dress like Jesus. And they call him prophet and I'm like, Holy. Like here's the thing. It could be a total tabloid rag story, you know, total clickbait. Right. But then Dave, what are you saying? Like you found stories that went back to like a couple of years ago or something.

Speaker 6: 20:04

Yeah. Like the Colt, when you told me about the cult thing, I hadn't heard about it, but then I did a Google search and like their stories going back to 2019 accusing or saying he could be part of a Colt or starting a cult. So it's not a per se a new thing, but it certainly like front center right now.

Speaker 1: 20:22

It was like, he sent somebody a snake as the joker in the suicide squad.

Speaker 5: 20:26

Right. He was crazy.

Speaker 6: 20:28

He said like use condoms. And like some other things like that,

Speaker 5: 20:32

I actually use the condoms and then send evidence to, what does it make it look like? Could you put water? And then I'm just that's okay.

Speaker 6: 20:41

Yeah. He's, he's kinda been known. Uh, I dunno. He's been known to be like a weirdo, you know, he's a weirdo, I think

Speaker 5: 20:48

He's, but that doesn't mean he's a cult leader.

Speaker 1: 20:50

He didn't know about COVID and he was on some retreat. I did hear about that.

Speaker 5: 20:55

You guys joking?

Speaker 1: 20:57

Like he came out of like, yeah, he came out of a long retreat. It was like, wait, there's a, there's a disease going around. So that's how in outer space the guy is, right. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 21:10

You know who I see him becoming. I, um, I see the, I see him starting now and in 20 years he will become Marlon Brando. You guys see that?

Speaker 1: 21:20

I see that. You're going to say, he's going to go. Nick has been to his Island. Yeah,

Speaker 5: 21:23

No, no, no. Like just the way he was as an actor, like kind of hard to work with how it ended, like he went and did both

Speaker 1: 21:31

Then decided to keep the Island and then decided to have, you know,

Speaker 5: 21:34

I wasn't going in there, but that could work actually. That could work again. You guys got to watch that documentary on Dr. Morose, best documentary.

Speaker 1: 21:44

Um, and then getting into the Google story that I was talking about earlier. Like, so somebody wrote a new story based on like a Google translated transcript or something of another podcast that's like in Spanish or Portuguese or something with the Spanish Portuguese. Uh Accurus. Who's like in her seventies. And she had a bit part in the dung Quixote movie that, uh, Terry Gilliam made with Adam driver. Um, and like something happened during rehearsals and like the word assault was thrown around and I'm like, Whoa, like literally, um, Dave was saying, we were talking to him, private chat. I was like, all the Maryland Manson stuff was like being, you know, coming out in the public. And then I'm like, and literally on my phone, I got a notification about the Adam driver's story. And I was like, Oh, what the now? You know, you know what I mean? Like who's being crucified now. Like what is happening? What's going on? Yeah. So as it turns out like, and she, and she, uh, um, clarified her story recently because it became such big news in Europe that she had to go and like, you know, clarify her statements or whatever she was interviewed on a podcast or something. And then, um, as I said, the media translated, you know, with Googlers translation tool, what she was saying. And apparently it was like during rehearsals that a chair, he was like standing up in his chair and kept, he kept bumping her with the chair. That's that's. That was what the assault. Well, it wasn't like he got mad at her during the takes, but it was like, he was so passionate about his energy in the moment that like, he was knocking a rubber with the chair or something. He was so passionate. He was assaulting her. I get it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But you know, things taken out of context, like we're making jokes about a little bit blurred movie at the beginning of this and people like, what are they talking about? So you never know, you know what I mean? So, uh, that's it for the news stories. You guys are very quiet. I love this. Just not say anything. Well, we got put on blast pretty hard. So we're going to stay at okay.

Speaker 5: 23:46

All right.

Speaker 6: 23:48

We have a movie to talk about, uh,

Speaker 5: 23:51

Earlier. Yeah, we do.

Speaker 6: 23:54

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 23:56

I'm Christian Slater with us today. Uh, where's your productions of, of young guns to Nick?

Speaker 3: 24:04

Yeah. My first impressions are this, any scene with Christian Slater is amazing. Actually, I love this movie. I grew up with this movie. This was on cable all the time. Like in 1991. I remember I've seen this movie 50 times. I like this one better than the first one. I don't know why I just, this one calls me and I think everyone's just on point and the chemistry and it is a fun Western action movie. That's what I think.

Speaker 6: 24:32

Uh, uh, I'm not trying to be contrary here, but I I'm the exact opposite of Nick. My first impression was, wow, this is not as fun as the first one. I, the whole time I'm watching it. I'm just like, I wish I was just watching the first one again. Wow. No, this one, this one just didn't scratch that in there for me.

Speaker 5: 24:51

Um, the way, uh, I liked it more than I thought I thought I was going to hate it. And, um, I didn't the end. Yeah. I got a fun ride, but with less of a less of an arc, it's fun though. It, the first one has more of a redeeming arc. This one is just a, this one's a fun. This one's a fun ride. Yeah. Yeah. Great. We'll be back right after these messages.

Speaker 3: 25:26

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Speaker 5: 26:35

Nick[inaudible] guys. Hold on. What I say like is

Speaker 1: 26:44

Like, once you turn on the Christian side, your impression, it's almost like impossible for you not to

Speaker 5: 26:49

Almost like just keeps coming, right? Like I'm like it's sneaks in their ads.

Speaker 1: 26:53

Yeah. Yeah. So I made Nick do our dirty, dirty ad read this week. And like, I felt like Christian Slater was like dying to come through.

Speaker 5: 27:00

You didn't put them. I need to redo it. Yeah. Stars, go check it out. CBS.

Speaker 1: 27:13

So a Slater, you already said that every scene with you in it is great, but what's your favorite bit from young guns? Steve,

Speaker 5: 27:18

My favorite bit of course is, uh, the end where Pat, Garrett lets Billy the kid live. Okay. I just like, no, you know what I mean? Like he lets him like get away in terms of this story.

Speaker 1: 27:38

It's implied that they fake his death together.

Speaker 5: 27:40

I mean, yeah. I mean if, I mean, yeah, because if not who's that old man, right? Yeah. And by the way, the guy who was interviewing him is that the bad guy and Billy Madison. Yeah. Okay. Just want to make sure. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

Speaker 4: 27:57

David.

Speaker 1: 27:58

So, uh, the favorite bit is just, uh, when, um, Billy's doing some of the fancy shooting with everyone around where with the candlestick or the candelabra like, Oh, well how are you going to get a three out with a one shot? Turns it around. One shot, flips it around. The next shot, shoots them all out. That was kind of a fun bit

Speaker 4: 28:17

Like when they, uh, had them off at the pass and uh, he takes a shot and he thinks he's got Billy and he gets, he goes up and he founds. It finds out that he is shot the wrong person. I thought it was a pretty moving scene of the consequences of running with the wrong kind of the wrong, the wrong people. Really. You gotta be careful. There's a lot, there's lots of lessons in this movie. Like you don't want to be like Billy, the kid what's interesting is how much you do. Like Billy, the kid, even though he's doing some pretty awful things, you know what? There was everybody,

Speaker 1: 28:51

He's not his, like what I was talking about. Redundant, redemptive arcs. Like he's a more redeemable character in part one than another.

Speaker 4: 29:00

Oh sure, absolutely. This one he's already, he's a horse. The fees like he's doing he's up to no good. You know, it's not cute anymore. You know, he's not defending, you know, someone who was murdered, he's he, you know, going after and getting the bad guys. He's uh, he's just, I dunno, going after a couple of the bad guys, but mixing it with his own, you know, amoral,

Speaker 1: 29:27

These movies are so close together. Part one. And part two that I get the stories blended a little bit in my mind, my memory of watching them, like the thing where, um, Chavez is screaming for his horse to stop and Navajo and they go over the cliff and they thought he was just jumping with like courageous courage just to get away. And they all followed him with their horses, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. That was amazing. But for some reason, in my memory, I thought it happened in part one for some reason, but they have this whole other a bit in part one where they, they get high on payoti and traveled through the spirit world in part one, that was the thing. And they're like, what else? No funny. Um, I don't know if it was the scene, but did you guys hear that Lou diamond Phillips broke his arm and that's why they had that scene where he got stabbed with a knife because his arm was actually really broken, injured his arm.

Speaker 4: 30:24

Wow. That's why I stabbed him. And it went between the bones. Oh, that was a DNR. I've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 5: 30:33

That was, that was my idea to stab him. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:37

What's the best relationship in the movie, Nick?

Speaker 5: 30:40

I think it was between Billy and the young kid that looked up to him, the guy, the kid that Adam was talking about. I just thought there was like a really cute dynamic and like, you know, like Billy was trying to look out for him. And then of course, you know, like, like Adam said, like don't, don't follow this guy. Hmm.

Speaker 1: 30:56

Yeah. Fair enough. What about you, Dave?

Speaker 5: 30:58

I'm going to say between Billy and his gun, he never parted with it. It was always there for him.

Speaker 1: 31:05

Well, we'll just pick characters in their objects as I was going to enter the objects. It worked last time, so yeah. Sure. Adam, what do you think best your relationship in this space?

Speaker 4: 31:15

Uh, I thought, uh, Billy, the kid versus Kiefer Sutherland's character and, uh, I really liked how they were just polar opposites, but he gets sucked back in after being a teacher and being abducted basically from the East coast.

Speaker 1: 31:31

Also a serious departure from Scurlock. And the first movie score lock is like a more bold gunslinger in the first movie. Right?

Speaker 4: 31:38

Yeah. But you get married, you get settled, you get complacent. You don't, you're not adventurous anymore. You're not as much anymore. Anyway, that's true. So

Speaker 1: 31:49

Who is more bold? And part two, we would care more when he gets executed, we would care more.

Speaker 4: 31:55

But he did like, he was bold when it came down to it. He, his heart wasn't in it. He got kidnapped to come here. He had another life. He's teaching kids. He's in the middle of like teaching him a lesson and clowning to teach them the lesson. And then the bat,

Speaker 1: 32:11

They didn't really talk about who those guys were. Like, those were a group of detectives called the Pinkertons and they had like national authority to up. And they just showed up in their trench coats with their shotguns and just mess with people. Scary.

Speaker 4: 32:23

Yeah. The Pinkerton's a famously face down some unions, but they eventually got hired on as the, the beginnings of the secret service, uh, for Lincoln, uh, and Lincoln signed the bill before he died. And then after he died, there was a secret service for the president, but it was already set in motion. And w w was comprised primarily of Pinkerton's. So, uh, they still around in some way, their essence.

Speaker 1: 32:56

So, Hmm. I think the best and worst relationship are the same. I think it's Billy friendship with Pat Garrett is both the best and the worst in the movie. But you also might say the worst word Lynch chips are between the Cowboys and their horses.

Speaker 4: 33:14

Wow.

Speaker 1: 33:17

Go over a cliff. So yeah, the horses get a raw deal in here. Yeah. They really got Jack

Speaker 4: 33:23

I've ever seen a horse shot in a movie where you see where there's, where this, the horse takes a big chunk out of it.

Speaker 1: 33:33

Hopefully, thankfully, there's no stories. As far as I can tell about animals getting hurt in this movie, they were heard on other westerns. And that's probably like one of the reasons that PETA exists. Um, definitely,

Speaker 4: 33:44

Yeah. Animal. He needs to make money.

Speaker 1: 33:51

The only modern thing about an animal being disrespected was like, I guess the monkey from the hangovers is really addicted to cigarettes now. So

Speaker 4: 34:01

You just don't give it to him. That makes sense. Are your arms off?

Speaker 1: 34:07

Can you get a monkey to take it again and go to take two? It's just, here's your next step.

Speaker 4: 34:11

Yeah. Here's some blow. Let's see. Oh man.

Speaker 1: 34:18

So this episode was pretty brutal at the beginning and we were teasing each other really hard. So I don't even think we have to play. What should I say

Speaker 4: 34:29

For the juggler gentlemen,

Speaker 1: 34:32

Watching anything fascinating this week outside of reviewing the young guns. Cause I went back and watched part of part one to correlate into part two. You know,

Speaker 4: 34:41

I watched a really neat movie. I don't know how I'm going to describe it though. I'll

Speaker 1: 34:46

Give it a shot. What do you watch?

Speaker 4: 34:49

I watched a movie with gene Wilder in it where he's like a lowly publisher and he gets on a train and uh, he hooks up with this chick and wildly hooking up with her. He sees a dead guy hanging off the train out of the window. And then by the time he freaks out and tells her about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it famous comedy? You say the name of the movie and I did not hear it either. Yeah. That's it at the beginning. Um, but it was fun. It was, uh, it was a lot of fun. I didn't, uh, you know, I knew Richard Pryor was in it.

Speaker 1: 35:26

We were playing the game. You would have lost. I know if you should have just said it's a common Overstreet.

Speaker 4: 35:33

No, no, no. I feel like it's cheating for me to name drop like two to the ridiculous extent. Like I was getting to the

Speaker 1: 35:42

Flipping through their televisions or their apps, you know, and they're looking for stuff to watch it and they're right.

Speaker 4: 35:46

What was the first pairing between them? And, and when you interrupt someone and you don't fully hear them out, obviously you're gonna have opinions like that. So, but you're entitled to them. I'm trying to help you. I don't wanna listen to you. I know. I hear you. You're trying to help. You're trying to interrupt me is what you're trying to do. And you and you succeeded. It's getting real guys

Speaker 1: 36:08

Completely checked out. Dave was checked out before we started. He's wanting us to watch this movie with little Blair and his mom.

Speaker 5: 36:16

I was watching that movie, Dave and I have our own webcam going. We're watching a movie together.

Speaker 4: 36:22

How much like buzzwords that are going to titillate you. And then you point to that. I can't wait to watch that. So then it's like tell you about the movie a little bit to see it a little bit

Speaker 1: 36:37

Algorithm world. Now it's all keywords.

Speaker 4: 36:40

Okay. Gene Wilder, Richard Pryor, racing, train priests, get excited. Comedy, comedy, Hitchcock, horror, comedy, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1: 36:53

What on somebody at the end? Who's not in the movie, but it just correlates the type of movies.

Speaker 4: 36:57

Yeah. Morgan. Freeman's first starring role. Look for him in the background. No, seriously. You have to watch it for that. So Yeah, maybe we'll see. And watch the one that you're watching a little Blair

Speaker 5: 37:18

Later.

Speaker 1: 37:19

Sure.

Speaker 4: 37:22

No points.

Speaker 1: 37:23

No, he's not wearing pants either. So I know I noticed your pants again.

Speaker 4: 37:30

We get off on cookie monster in some movie. Uh, what's my vote. What do you guys do? You guys want to watch this? Describe it. Are we actually playing the game? I thought we were done. I don't care if we're not playing the game. Are you going to watch this movie? It's called silver street.

Speaker 5: 37:43

I haven't watched it yet. So I, and I know I've heard it's good for years, but I just, I don't know. I'm still not. I probably won't know just because I haven't watched it. Cause you don't like gene Wilder. No, I just it's. I don't know. You don't like Richard Pryor

Speaker 1: 37:59

To hell with that cheap.

Speaker 5: 38:05

Oh, he is. I didn't know that Woody Allen movie. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1: 38:13

That's a movie reference, but you know, it's gonna come out tomorrow. There's just going to be a news, a clickbait story podcast who says gene Wilder. the sheep.

Speaker 4: 38:22

And he did. I mean, the podcast has said that, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 5: 38:26

Yeah. Well, they're going to get literally mangled in like say gene Wilder, sheep, Woody Allen. What the?

Speaker 1: 38:33

Ooh, that might actually come out because they're doing a Woody Allen documentary

Speaker 5: 38:36

On HBO. It's about to come out and like, was it, was it Woody Allen sheep messed up. So I'm just writing down for the episode highlights. So we do end up as clickbait, gene Wilder, sheep. Can you make that? Are we going to get tagged for explicit content? Oh yeah. Cause I've said how many times I know you said so many F bombs. He did. Oh man. Talking about young guns F this F that young gun. It's PG 13 F this F that that's good. The first movie was rated R, which is why it's better. And the second movie is PG 13. It's a pretty, I didn't notice nothing in the first movie that really needs to be rated R yeah. I don't know what that, why they called it that way. Maybe the pod scene. Hmm. Yeah. Maybe they're winding down, but yeah, I guess, I don't know. Hey Nick, are we going to bother to make a show next week or we're going to be podcasting next week? Oh, hell yeah. We're going to podcasts the next week. You know what we're doing next week, guys, we're going to explore another book, bad romance. We're doing return of the living dead three. And let me tell you, this is probably the sexiest zombie you've ever seen in your life. Dude. You are not kidding. No, David's already over there. You, you know what he's doing anyways, guys, as far as I know, stuff got real, uh, we had a good time and, uh, see you later.

Speaker 2: 41:33

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