Back In The Day: Gladiator

"...When enough men have died, perhaps you will have your freedom..."

On this episode:

• Oliver Reed's real life legendary ending.
• Technical mistakes in a giant epic.
• The "conquered" are really the heroes.
• Incredible cast bringing this epic to life.
• Oliver Reed's death during production.
• Briefly, our love for Ridley Scott's films.
• Our opinion after re-watching this film from 2000.
• Dragged into Hell with this movie called Cats.
• Halle Berry's Cat-Woman.
• Kevin Smith's Shared Universe of Kevin Smith.

Back in the day, in 2000, they released an epic movie following or succeeding rather in  the tradition of all the great sword and sandal motion pictures like The Robe, Spartacus, and Ben-Hurr...

We're talking about GLADIATOR

"Gladiator is a 2000 epic historical drama directed by Ridley Scott and written by David Franzoni, John Logan, and William Nicholson

When fallen Roman general, Maximus (Russell Crow) is betrayed and his family murdered by a corrupt prince (Joaquin Phoenix), he survives as a gladiator and plots revenge.

Stellar performances by Russell Crowe, Joaquin Phoenix, Connie Nielsen, Ralf Möller, Oliver Reed (in his final role), Djimon Hounsou, Derek Jacobi, John Shrapnel and Richard Harris "

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Transcript

spk_2:   0:02
straight on the Oliver Reed story. Here we go. So he

spk_0:   0:05
died from a heart attack. It was during a break on set with Gladiator, which we're about to get into in this episode. But we wanted to set the legend straight. Here we go. So on the afternoon of, like May 2nd 99 according to witnesses, he drank eight pints of German longer, a dozen shots of rum, half a bottle of whiskey and a few shots of Hennessy cognac. And because he was in a drinking match against a group of soldiers were on shore leave from the H. M s Cumberland at a pub called Get This the Pub. Anyway, you consumed all this one. The drinking match arm wrestled All these dudes then collapsed. But interest legend, it's obviously we're not condoning alcoholism, but over read, you know, checking about ancient Rome and touching the gods. Well,

spk_1:   0:47
crack open a cold box of wine. Opal something cold on eyes because it's the binge watches. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:22
and we actually picked. That's the last one in the series. It's actually a big Oscar winner for that year, won best picture taking Russell Crowe and Oscar for best actor, if I remember correctly. He wore is Grandfather's Army medallion to the ceremony and then won the Oscar movies. Directed by Ridley Scott. He's a like one of the pinnacles of directing. He's like one of the major directors. People should know who he is. I mean, if we run some of his greatest hits, you could say like There's alien legend

spk_2:   1:59
Blade Runner

spk_0:   2:00
Later, Yeah, yeah. Amassed Hickman

spk_2:   2:05
blocking Black Hawk down.

spk_0:   2:07
Yeah, there's a lottery list and he's like one of my top directors. And then I mean movies about Agent Room. I was selling Dave second ago like a fuck ancient Rome. I'm kind of tired of ancient Rome. It doesn't mean anything to me. And, uh, everybody movies made up except for the markets were really so you see, in the beginning of the But it's not about him. It's about this general that works for him. We wants to turn over the empires. He's got a son and a daughter, Commodus. And so you get to see Russell Crowe killed the Joker. That's a row. Spoiler move is 20 years old. I can't help you if you haven't seen it by now. Um, Russell Crowe plays this guy, Maximus. He's like top general. Actually, it's funny is the movie opens up with them battling the Germanic tribes. Right? Right. And actually, those would be the good guys. Technically, Rome was conquering the whole world, so you'd be sympathetic to the people that their conquering uses me. Like what? Yeah. So, Maximus, you're a great guy. You helped us, like, take over the world. And then, uh, you know, he gets screwed over. And it seems like everybody that served from get screwed over, but they're also trapped in their positions was talking about Dave. They're just, like, stuck in their roles and they can't escape. Um, you know, the general wants to retire. I so to speak and go home has been over, like, years

spk_2:   3:41
years. Yeah. I want to go home and become a farmer.

spk_0:   3:43
Yeah, and that seems to be a common thing with these Roman movies is they always talk about that like the soldiers get recruited when their kids, and then they serve, like, 20 years, and then they finally go home. I don't know what the deal is with how long you have to serve Rome, but you're saying Dave today seems like room like we're in. We're in the days of Rome.

spk_2:   4:02
Well, earlier when we were talking, you're saying screw room, which I see to a point. But I mean, we kind of have to learn from our history because I feel like we're kind of going through these times now, which is the philosophy of Roman times was Keep the people fed and entertainment. I'll follow you wherever you want. You know, not too far off from that. Nowadays, which were constantly having entertainment should be done or shut down our throat. We don't question things. Well, not not everybody, but I know maybe that's just me on my high horse.

spk_0:   4:34
You're, um you know, it's funny, but they get the beginning of the movie is like I think they used, like, half of a take or an outtake of something. It happens really fast, but like a big into the battle, it's like when the Roman soldiers air first, like clashing with the remaining cords or whatever, right? The barbarians. It's like I saw a shot of a barbarian like laughing and like walking among Roman soldiers. It was I was like, Holy shit, I want a positive like, you see, like one of the stunt guys dressed up as a barbarian. But he's like coordinating something on the set, and they used, like, you don't say it like they used, like, footed from like, right a certain part of that. But it happened to catch like that,

spk_2:   5:16
Whatever it is, this movies movies Notorious for having like at least two that I'm aware of, like famous fucked up shots were like one. Yeah, there's one, um, I couldn't tell you which battle. Maybe in the beginning, where there's, like a stagehand or something in the shot and noted, realizes and steps out like he's clearly where Eugene. He's clearly wearing jeans and shit about Gladiator. And then there's

spk_0:   5:41
another in the scope of this movie's huge. There's a ton of people running around, you know, great. And what's the other flow?

spk_2:   5:49
The other flub is again. It's during the chariot scene, but there's like a E. Guess there's a part where you can clearly see, like the hydraulic tank or something that, like uh, gets one of the chariots like fly in the air for one of reasons. So, like there's clearly you can see the mechanics of how

spk_0:   6:06
to Terry's correctional woman like one Cherry held back into look underneath the stadium where they keep all the gladiators. Where there waiting to come out. So that's probably that part? Probably. Yeah, I didn't notice that kind of thinking. Miss it. Yeah, but so who gets royally screwed in the end of the movie? Like he refuses the position with the emperor, the emperor's son kills the emperor and they blame the general and they, they say, execute the general. He's trying to get back to his ranch and Spain or something. Yeah, Russell Crowe's not Spanish. It all. But they keep calling them the Spaniard in the movie, and that's where his villa is. But his wife and son, they get killed. That sets off the movie. He's wounded. He gets nursed back to health by this guy that I just called a healer. It's, um,

spk_2:   6:57
is a disease. Want Han Soo

spk_0:   6:59
that Wow, I didn't know. That's what I thought. His name was like Damon Hassan. But yeah, that is that

spk_2:   7:03
I I could be saying it wrong.

spk_0:   7:05
I know that sounded pretty good to me, but he's an actor that crops up. He was just recently in the gardens, The Galaxy move and Captain Marvel. Actually, they brought his character back. He's a good actor, and he pops up in a lot of stuff.

spk_2:   7:20
Hey, this is a really good actor.

spk_0:   7:22
Plays one of the two friends of the general like, And there's a remaining guy who actually makes jokes like, Did you have campaigns in Germany? You don't mean like, insinuating that, you know, he knows Maximus killed, like all his cousins. All right, so these two gladiators help him. They're like, in the Middle East somewhere with a former gladiator who's played by all over reading all reads like a classic accurate Go look up his shit.

spk_2:   7:43
Yeah, I think this was his last movie role. In

spk_0:   7:45
fact, that was unrecognizable this movie. I didn't even know it was him. Like we were getting ready to

spk_2:   7:49
talk. I don't know why I had it in my mind that his character, Hey, he was actually played by Omar Sharif. I was thinking of like, um, it's not a, uh, Egyptian actor. Close. You looks very. I don't know. That's the tithe. Sure, if I remember right. He died during the production or something they like. This is one of the first movies they had to do. Kind of like what they did on the Crow, which, like, c g I his head on, I think, uh, I'm almost positive he did. And I think Richard Harris was in this too. King Aurelius. Marcus really is. Yeah,

spk_0:   8:31
who was Caesar? But he didn't let them calm Caesar like he was called Marcus. Or really, it's like, That's the truth. All the Caesars take the name Caesar. I'm pretty sure that's how the history goes, but anyway, you are a couple laws. There's some modern ones. They're based on the ship that he was. I don't know anything about his kid. Like I said, I don't think the kids are really because I don't remember reading anything about markets arose. That kid's doing anything, you know. Great. So in common is is like true coward. But he's played to a T by what's his name?

spk_2:   9:07
Uh, walking feelings.

spk_0:   9:08
Yeah, but you almost look like walking. Phoenix must have some daddy issues. I know it was raised by Dad off the commune in South America and was it with the other? Phoenix is for a little while, so I don't know what the situation is like, but he's like, through this whole movie. He's, like, ready to burst into tears like every time you see him, you know, I mean, like, you think super stable, but sensitive, like, you know, um and this is one of his first breakout rules. I think he was nominated for, but obviously he didn't.

spk_2:   9:38
Yeah, he think he was nominated? Yeah. This is like, uh yeah, this is where he kind of his start kind of rised. I mean, we talked about it before, like in things like parenthood when he was a kid kid actor. But I think this is when he was like, uh, becoming an adult.

spk_0:   9:53
Well, that was a huge movie. This is like one of the biggest movies to come out in the early two thousands and also kind of set the pace like there was like, movies before. Glad here. And the movies after that was a period of, like, five years where everybody was, like, just trying to get gladiator made you get immediately.

spk_2:   10:08
We look at this, you know, with the exception of like a few seems I forgot like how classically told this movie is it doesn't like, with the exception of, like, a few scenes like the Dream Dream sequence is it felt like very old school

spk_0:   10:22
filmmaking. You know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, really? Scott must've fainted, like all the sword and sandal movies. Spartacus and Original Ben Hur. Like he must have, like, really dug all those those those movies, you know, and yeah, and then employed Because, honestly, this is like a paint by numbers story like,

spk_2:   10:44
Yeah, I was gonna say the story, The story line. The plot is very, very simple, actually.

spk_0:   10:48
It's like every other gladiator movie, like literally, someone gets handsome connection to, like, Romans royalty. They're betraying and they're stuck in the gladiator pit. You really think you can pull 10 movies off the show from there exactly like that? Like I was looking for. Like, why is it Oscar worthy? Like, why did Russell Crowe turn in a performance that's like, genuine. And I was like, Oh, well, he kind of played it with compassion. He was soft, spoken like he didn't really go like full machismo, where he's just like all muscles and yelling, right, like, yeah, usually big rolls like this. The actor would just be angry and be like yelling his emotions. He didn't he plead didn't do that like he played it pretty like

spk_2:   11:36
arms level there is kind of subdued, almost.

spk_0:   11:39
Yeah, And then I was thinking like he looks really torn apart when he finds his family crucified. They don't really show you, like, allude to it. They show you like the feet dangling, but he looks like road broken up. So I'm looking for him like there's parts of the movie where he looks generally said, which is hard to play. And then, like I said, Good just played it pure testosterone. But you really didn't do that. You know what? He's made some mistakes later on down the road in his career, Like he said, Cem Cem movies where you hit a foul ball, you know, with his emotionality like he always Lee didn't play. He was singing in a movie, and that went wrong for him. Robin,

spk_2:   12:26
which is hilarious because he's actually a singer in a band.

spk_0:   12:30
Yeah, but look so again, he's got an aggressive person profile, you know? I mean, look at his character. He plays in L A confidential. All right? Oh, yeah. Like that. So you think Russell Cooper playing all those movies, including this Gladiator Maximus rule? But he doesn't. He's not like that. Um, I do not care for It's in that Benny playing the sister right

spk_2:   12:53
in in this movie. Yeah, you don't know? It's, um, Connie Nielsen.

spk_0:   12:58
What kind of deals and whatever. Anyway, so just release has two kids Competence we've already established is the evil prince and takes over things and fucks things up. But he's also he's got a thing for a sister and she has a kid, so she's trying to pick her kids. She goes along with everything in. She's just fucking annoying to the whole goddamn movie. Like I give her credit before when I watched it. But now that I watched it this time I don't like her in this movie. It all get her. Yeah,

spk_2:   13:27
See in that now, I haven't seen this into his first on video. So you're talking like that? We'll say 19 years. Um, and I was really struck by her, actually, because, like she said it a couple times like she's in fear of her life and her son's life because, you know, Comedy's is not so sure is a

spk_0:   13:45
running theme of this movie. Everybody's trapped in their position like nobody believes they're like their role, you know, like they're all dude, they're all tragic characters. Great. Even communists. They're all tragic. They none of them can alter their feet. They're all headed towards, like a collision.

spk_2:   14:02
Yeah, I could see that,

spk_0:   14:04
But like, I had a longing for something in this movie like, Well, they talk about his army being ready to come back and fight with him and like, they're supposedly camping outside the city like I thought at the end of this movie originally, and I kind of wanted it to happen again, is like that We're gonna have this major battle between two armies, you know, nothing. And then I was like, Okay, I see that. I see why they didn't do it. Because the whole thing was it, like, lives. This movie lives or dies inside the gladiator pit right call. Seem so of course it's gonna end in the Coliseum, you know, um and it's weird that, like they set you up for this like he gets wounded the same way like he gets his his arm hurt beginning movie and almost dies. And then they eventually they like, like, hamstring them at the end of the movie, right? They cheat the fight. Right? Commodus hamstrings. Amar has him hand strong or never. So he's like bleeding to death.

spk_2:   14:57
Yeah, like right under the shoulder. So he's like, having, basically is one arm. Uh, I can't remember if he stabbed his left or right shoulder. Basically, as one arm is useless, Well, they Yeah,

spk_0:   15:08
they forwarded to, like, the vein or tender like Is there an artery or something in your arm that, like

spk_2:   15:16
we're just like you? I think he's stabbing, like, right under the shoulder in the back, like basically dis rendering that are useless. It's Ah, it's pretty fucked. I mean, um uh, 11 thing I forgot about this movie is how gory it is for this type of movie. Like blood flies everywhere. Um,

spk_0:   15:37
yeah, with lots of violence, lots of fighting. And they bring their bring back an old school stuntman who was in life. I think both Conan's and a lot of Schwarzenegger movies he's like a he might be offering is well but he's a big guy. That they come in is like a famous gladiator here. The dragon tiger about Well, he's wearing a special armor that looks like a tiger with them. They have two tigers in the arena, and he's like, Oh, we were about to die. Salute that guy.

spk_2:   16:06
Was it Was that the guy that said they pulled him out of five year retirement or whatever?

spk_0:   16:11
Exactly. I just was obvious that the Emperor was gonna find out that Maximus was one down in the arena. The whole look, It happened quickly, proximo. Being the guy that was in charge of him in his little group coming from, I guess you were saying maybe Egypt. I'm not sure where they were

spk_2:   16:36
like Morocco or something, you know, somewhere like that Somewhere Middle East. Look like

spk_0:   16:41
which is weird, because, like, how did you get there? Because he went from Germany, essentially back to Spain. And then what's close to Spain? He, like, crawl across the Arabian Peninsula? You know how close that is? It's halfway around the world. Um, you know, it is cool that they give a second to let you know that his friend got away, though the one who said he had kids, too, was the guy who said, The healer, the guy is called the Healer. He was like, You know, you'll see them again, but not yet. And I'll see them again. But not yet. All right, thank you again, like So it's clear that he's gonna go home. Listed in the movie, Maximus is other allies pretty much killed. But you think the movie setting up for this giant climatic, you know, battle between two armies on the steps of room, you know, for control. But that's not That doesn't happen. It all goes down inside the arena effects that, um, this one was so long and so epic. It's almost like two movies. One first like this set up in betrayal takes so long, right? Right. And then the rest of the movies, essentially in the arena, like every scene is centered around the arena. That's the whole movie by itself. Like you could actually met him in the arena. All right. And then you, like, backtracked how we got there in the rest of the story. Um, if they made this movie to be like the best of these types of movies, I guess. And like in the Hartmann to like there are so many like B movies. They're about gladiators. There's like hundreds of right. Like there's even some with Lou Ferrigno.

spk_2:   18:23
Hercules. Yeah, it was a huge genre. This was a huge genre in the fifties and sixties because, I mean I mean, yes, you're right. There's a lot of ah b movies, but I mean, they also like, made a movies out of these. I mean, Ben Hur and Spartacus are basically these types of movies, and those were Academy Award winner. So?

spk_0:   18:45
Well, Kirk Douglas. It's probably best movie or the biggest you know about. And it is called the Robe.

spk_2:   18:55
So yeah, yeah, there's a ton of them during a

spk_0:   18:59
difficult or it's a gladiator. Ford's cowboys, but the great Oh, and don't the Colon brothers. Do you like a joke?

spk_2:   19:10
Oh, yes. Goddamn. I love that would fix her great health. Sees a

spk_0:   19:20
problem. Yeah. Healthy Zehr. Exactly. Yeah, they're doing a Roman movie that Gladiator style yet.

spk_2:   19:26
Yeah, that's actually a really good movie. Uh, people shit on it, but I really like Hail Caesar.

spk_0:   19:31
I love that movie. I haven't love having Christopher Lambert and their plane. If employing director of the musical Whatever, you're accurate pool in there. The Highlander put him in a freaking Coen brothers movie like I don't know how they write to that point, but that was really cool, right? Like they have like, it's like the Red Scare, right? We have the Communists, like, invaded Hollywood, right? Like the McCarthyism stuff. But But in the movie, it's a fantasy in real life. But what's funny is in the movie, it's really it's really happening. That's pretty funny. Well,

spk_2:   20:10
no Scarlett Johansson. Thank

spk_0:   20:12
you, Jonah. Hells. And there's like the accountant like the studio accountant. He pops up one point

spk_2:   20:18
brief. Oh my God, there's that scene that that scene with refines and the kid who went on to be Han Solo in that movie, uh, the what would toward toward simple tort?

spk_0:   20:31
Yeah, So the kid that was hired because he can't act and then he goes out and play on solo. And the criticism the Han Solo movie is this actor sucks, right? Really, You know, it's not fair, like he's literally hired use, literally hired in hell Caesars because he couldn't really he didn't have any range, and then they put him in a movie like this guy. What's going on? Yeah, as a reason.

spk_2:   20:56
I didn't think he was bad at home. You

spk_0:   20:58
really nice tonight, folks. He's being really just given everybody like generous ropes.

spk_2:   21:05
I mean, I could take stuff away. I saw some shit this week, too, but

spk_0:   21:10
well, here's the thing. Like and I felt like, Well, I guess Russell Crowe won you over with a beautiful mind because I just feel like he's like he's like one of your top guys.

spk_2:   21:22
Um, I can give her take Russell Crowe. I don't love him, but I don't hate him. He's just, uh hey does good in the movie season. But I'm not Russell Crowe

spk_0:   21:30
water. Find your movie or whatever.

spk_2:   21:32
I didn't What

spk_0:   21:36
is it? It's like the Armenian genocide.

spk_2:   21:38
The water diviner. Whatever. No, I I know. I didn't see it. I know he directed it. I was like his directorial effort.

spk_0:   21:48
We're That's pretty good. I'm trying to get besides glad you're well. L a confidential

spk_2:   21:57
Ellie confident. But what about virtuosity?

spk_0:   22:01
Virtuosity? Is he the good guy? And Denzel Washington is the bad guy. Inside a virtual reality. How does that?

spk_2:   22:06
No way.

spk_0:   22:09
All right, well, city in

spk_2:   22:14
and I'm trying to I'm trying to think. I mean, he's he's in tons of stuff. But yet, uh, he's worked with roast crow few times even did that Goodyear movie. But I never did see that. But Russell Crowe really school, actually. About y

spk_0:   22:28
you know what I like most recently that he was either move two private detectives with Ryan It? Yeah, it's like the seventies or whatever

spk_2:   22:39
other great movies

spk_0:   22:40
scandal or something. Somebody do it. The weird intersection between porn and the auto industry. But him pound around with Ryan Gosling, please.

spk_2:   22:53
I forgot he was in. No, he wasn't. Uh

spk_0:   22:55
oh, dude. And you know my love for fantasy movies? Uh, no. Uh, it's like a great fantasy movie, like,

spk_2:   23:05
just by being so Bible movie. But it doesn't really

spk_0:   23:07
fall. And there's monsters and magic. And I guess technically, no, but but but it's It's pretty damn good.

spk_2:   23:16
What else? Try to see what else he's been and it's been really good. Or that I've enjoyed American gangster. Forgot about that. 3 10 to Yuma was really good.

spk_0:   23:25
Hey, does he got. That's another good movie. You play that guy pretty well. Look, I don't know if you actually met the guy or if the guy was dead. The detective from

spk_2:   23:37
Yeah, I don't remember. Oh, Cinderella Man kind of gets overlooked a lot. That's a really good movie.

spk_0:   23:42
Yeah. So he's definitely through movies that I love. Gladiator, Cinderella Man Gangster. So he's

spk_2:   23:54
Yeah, I fucking forgot. He was in Quick and the dead.

spk_0:   23:57
Oh, that's one of his first roles were the very obscure, Like his accent is really thick. Australian accident. Really thinking like nobody. You know, he's like, he's, like, not hit me. You know what I'm saying? He's just like a guy in a movie, right? Um and so it is a little over Saturday by Gene Hackman. I think I think of the time it happened was probably the most famous guy in the movie. Gene Hackman, Lance Hendrickson, DiCaprio and Leo wasn't really Leo like that was No, this

spk_2:   24:29
was pre Titanic.

spk_0:   24:32
So again, So there's that movie. If you want to go back and look at stars that had broken out, go watch this Western

spk_2:   24:41
that's actually at the quick and the dead you have to look for the one from Sam Raimi because, like a lot of movies a called the Quick and the Dead. Yeah,

spk_0:   24:52
freaking out freaking. Ow! I finally wanted Kevin to this movie about Kevin Smith about being about Kevin Smith.

spk_2:   25:00
What exactly which movie was this?

spk_0:   25:03
This is a new one James have removed.

spk_2:   25:06
Oh, yeah? Well, that few weeks ago I did a

spk_0:   25:10
movie world within a movie world within a movie world, Right? Because there's a black man in crime in which is based on days on evolves life and the also boatman and crime thing that he created in this Kevin Smith. You know, universe Lenny, right? Kevin Smith show up. And he was referencing His wife and daughter were actually in the movie playing the characters, but he was brought them into the view askew universe, like they were real people that exist in that universe. But you know what this movie is? It's literally just acting reel for his kid, just for his daughter. Like, you know, there were two scenes where she cried. I'm like, Oh, shit, like that's what this like, this is, this is Harley Quinn is acting real you know,

spk_2:   25:47
that was the end of the movie to they like it was all to do with about Sequels and reboots. And the idea was like our Children are our Sequels and our reboots. You know, I I'm a long of a longstanding Kevin Smith fan. I've been for years, but this I watched it and it's just kind of glazed over me like I did. I wasn't offended. I wasn't pissed off, but it was just like, very empty calories, which is sad for me to say, because I've been looking

spk_0:   26:15
all they didn't have to reboot it cause they did. Jay and Silent Bob strike back, and that would have been in that could have ended. The universe would have been fine because they've run everybody back right. They brought them all rights back, brought everybody back from his other movies into that, you know, I mean, I mean again, he did a shared universally all sectors encounter each other through the college books. They all overlap and intersect with each other, so it's OK that he did this this time off. But it's kind of my necessary, I guess. It's the kind of feeling you know, like it is fan service, but that he missed some people like Randall wasn't there. You know, like I'm sitting in a comic book table wherever at the convention. I

spk_2:   26:53
think a lot of it was timing, too, because, like, he shot it on a you know, I had to schedule people around it like like he almost like. In fact, like the whole scene with Ben Affleck wasn't originally conceived. Like they, um, for my understanding, they mended their friendship while the movie was in production and Kevin Smith got to come and do a day shoot and like, wrote him a monologue really fast to do in that movie.

spk_0:   27:17
And I wonder if that was really Jay's kid. The daughter in that scene like that was somebody's kid, Um, playing that

spk_2:   27:24
half likes kids, but I don't know,

spk_0:   27:27
Um, the deal is like shit. He's clearly a recovered crack at his lower jaw. Looks like it's ready to fall off.

spk_2:   27:35
Oh, yeah, he's struggled for years with

spk_0:   27:37
a lot of people look like shit. Joey Lauren Adams looked like, like a lot of people just looked wrecked.

spk_2:   27:43
Well, you know, you also got realized this is like close to 25 years past some of those movies. I mean, you know, it's been 25 years since Mallrats. I mean, not everybody is gonna hold up, but, uh, yeah, it was okay, I I was kind of disappointed, but, you know, it's fine. I wouldn't tell people not to watch it.

spk_0:   28:04
I mean, yeah, I guess for the in universe jokes, if you've seen all of the other stuff, right, I get it.

spk_2:   28:12
I'll tell you what you can skip or watch depending on what you think. I actually I actually watched the cats the cats movie this week because I'm I'm a bullet. I have to watch when something is claimed to be that bad. I had I had to least watch it or check it out. And it is true. Every everything you've heard about that movie is fucking true. It is that bad, but it's fascinating. It's fucking fat. I haven't seen a movie on that level by a big studio that poured that much money into it that fucked up this

spk_0:   28:47
bad since. Can't woman

spk_2:   28:50
You know what? Catwoman is terrible, but at least it's competent at least I mean, in the filmmaking, it's not my cup of tea, but it's not like poorly made like this is fucking terrible, like there's good things about it, like there's good production, design and stuff. But then you see what they did with CG I faces. It's fucking terrifying. It's fucking weird. So watch it or don't It's definite. I'm telling you, Do Cats is going to become like a rocky horror or the room type experience in the future. People are gonna like have showings of and scream out at it. Mark my words.

spk_0:   29:28
So there's no clean break on this episode, folks. I'm just gonna say this. You couldn't take day with vice and go watch cats. You could reevaluate the cat. One movie that I mentioned with Halle Berry That's fucking horrible. You can go watch a Kevin Smith movie should if you so desired, we could watch Russell Crowe in any of the movies that we've mentioned would be a great way to cap off your week and we'll be back with Randy Bitch watchers next week. Same bench channel, Say big time. Well, whatever