From Classic Frights With Santa Sangre To The Quest For Originality in Modern Horror Movies

Get ready to march into the world of cinema with a splash of emerald green as we reminisce about St. Patrick's Day festivities and the charm of the Leprechaun movie franchise. Our chat with the original director reveals a tantalizing possibility of a vampiric twist that's sure to send shivers down your spine. But that's just the appetizer; we've got a full course of discussion on the modern audience's hunger for original storytelling, the labyrinth of streaming services, and the strategic dance to find where your favorite flicks have taken up residence.

Nostalgia takes center stage as we recollect the defining movie theater moments that shaped our love for the screen – from the adrenaline of the Ninja Turtles to the enchantment of Hook. We then fast-forward to the present, where Jennifer Garner and Paul Walter Hauser are set to stir the pot in "Fruitcake," and Neve Campbell's anticipated return in "Scream 7" promises to slash through our expectations. Join us as we explore the family ties that bind in Alejandro Jodorowsky's cinematic enigmas, "El Topo" and "Santa Sangre," and the extreme measures these films take to weave their unforgettable tales.

As we wrap up our cinematic soiree, we look ahead to the eclectic mix of fantasy, anime, and horror that awaits in our "Summer Slash" series. Meanwhile, we reflect on those movies that have left a mark so deep, they've become a part of us – a testament to the kind of bold cinema that has become a rare gem in today's industry. Sit back, relax, and let us be your guides through the twists, turns, and thrills of film's ever-evolving journey.

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Speaker 1: 0:01

You still want to do a show called Ginger Watcher's podcast. It's got me the comedy Johnny's spoiler, because I tend to spoil the movies that I love and he's always by the Savage Scream Queen herself, jordan Savage.

Speaker 1: 0:18

That's me and clearly we've all survived St Patrick's Day. Anyway, there's this thing called St Patrick's Day. Over here Everybody's DNA shows up Irish. On St Patrick's Day, rivers turn green, for cons get sacrificed to the many gods so we can pour another round of beer. Lots of things happen. Folks, we have a special relationship to the Leprechaun movie series. We actually we broke a story with the director of the old school Leprechaun movie. Well, if you like trivia one, it was Jennifer Aniston's like breakout movie. She's in a horror movie called Leprechaun. But then the dude was going to make some kind of like I don't know like genre breaker where he kind of mixed up elements of Dracula with Leprechaun. It was going to do vamprecon, like a Leprechaun vampire or something. So we just happened to be lucky enough to be sitting around doing nothing for the first 12 episodes. He comes on, tells us about this thing. I'm bloody disgusting with the horror movie website. It's like the glory days. It's like I just cracked open the high school yearbook and I'm like, you know, we scored some touchdowns.

Speaker 3: 1:29

Going down memory lane, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:31

Which is what the green beer on St Patrick's Day will do to you. You'll just trek and back through all the nostalgia. Let's see. Yeah, that's about it. No, just kidding. We're actually here to do a whole show about this kind of a crazy movie, to wrap up our March of Madness, as they say. We like to talk about movies that have some kind of element of psychosis to them or like thriller elements. One of the funniest things that happens this year is we watch a detective take a bath in a toilet. That was a unique thing that happened. That was so weird. That was a standout element of this year's run, and you know, stick around.

Speaker 1: 2:08

After this little theme song, folks Crack open a cold one as your belt. Be here, the lady say, and we'll kick off tonight's show.

Speaker 3: 2:15

Crack open a cold box of wine or pour something cold on ice, because it's the binge watches podcast. Mind the amount of people watching this. So let's get ready for the next big movie.

Speaker 1: 2:42

G spread Jordan 2B 2B data study. They found out 74%, which seems like a pretty high number of our generation and the whatever comes after us prefer to watch things that are original as opposed to-.

Speaker 1: 3:10

Yeah, as opposed to franchise. Those freaking mutants, well, actually, like people are starting to joke about school kids acting like cats but then, like my kid, came home complaining that, yes, the schools are allowing children to identify as cats. I'm like what a wild, what a wild public school age we're living in in Norlis, or wild times we're living in in general. But anyway, apparently us and the kitty cat generation behind us say that yeah, prefer watching original content over franchise entries or remakes, which I thought was that's a pretty killer number, you know.

Speaker 3: 3:51

I like those stats. I would say I fall into that 74%, do you?

Speaker 1: 3:56

Yeah, it makes sense to me because I like it's really hard. The remakes are really hard man.

Speaker 1: 4:04

The remakes are really freaking hard to stomach. But I mean, I understand, like some IP, some studios are like, well, we got to make this generation's version of X movie or whatever, right, because the jokes change, the cultural phenomenons change, like what's going on in society is a little bit different, the norms are a little bit different. So I guess, like, insert the cat version of any movie. You know, I don't know if I'll talk in the head, if I could think of any, like let's see what's a super popular movie. I don't know, guys, I'm not going to riff on that anyway, but I wanted to dive deeper into the stats and so, like there's this thing called hub entertainment.

Speaker 1: 4:51

They did a similar study and like they said 50% of those that they surveyed couldn't find like their favorite shows or movies. On what streamers, right, like, let's say, you wanted, like man, you know I used to love this show. You know, like, if I like the Nickelodeon show, david the Gnome, like who has David the Gnome? Where is it is on Paramount plus, is it on Warner Brothers? Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 3: 5:15

or well, I don't know you really keep that straight, unless it's an original? You know what I'm saying. Like there's who lose original insert title here because I'm in there always moving around and I have every freaking streaming service you could possibly imagine. So how do you keep them straight? I guess you know.

Speaker 1: 5:36

I don't know, or it's like I think Netflix had the office at one point, so I was watching it consistently, you know. And then, like I mean, people have to save money, I mean it's just too expensive to have every streamer. So now they've done like the combos, right, like Netflix is plugged into my cable bill and I'm like, okay, cool, we won't have to pay for Netflix, right. Then, like I was watching the office on there and then it disappeared because the licensing rights went to Peacock, because NBC built their own platform and the office is there and like, okay, now I'm being forced to have another service because I simply want the office catalog, right. And then, like I had recently dropped Disney plus and Hulu because I'm like, okay, I'm not actively watching any of their shows, but then there was a crop of new things on Hulu and I'm like, well, then you gotta get the Hulu again.

Speaker 3: 6:21

Yeah, then I'm like but it's cheaper.

Speaker 2: 6:22

It's cheaper to bundle.

Speaker 1: 6:23

So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have the yeah because it's just easier, like, but I don't have Paramount Plus right now because there's no active Star Trek shows and you know I've seen enough of the other stuff, you know to have just seen it. But I get that getting lost online trying to find things that you remember I mean not just as a kid but even as an adult things that you just want to watch, and where are they? That? So that you know, so far the facts are lining up for me as a moviegoer. Yeah, then IndieWire, they're like, okay, let's do our study. And they found out 34%. Again, they seem like pretty big numbers. You know pretty good sets of people, but I could, but then we don't, actually we don't really know the sample size. So, like you know, 34% of 200 people or 1000 people I guess that would be different, but anyway, right. So they said 34% of their study. Us adults said they would rather watch movies at home on streaming than go experience things at the movie theater.

Speaker 3: 7:20

Do you fall into that category of the 34%?

Speaker 1: 7:23

this is the most relatable to Johnny Spoiler, and the real Johnny Kind is a monster character that I've created on this show as a joke. In reality, yeah, john Boy here likes to stay at home and watch whatever he can. Hey, that goes back to staying home on a sick day, or pretending to have a sick day to watch a Godzilla marathon on a TV channel that used to be existing called TNT, which I think is now rolled into the TBS slash. I don't know one of the again, who knows, but anyway, yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:00

Yeah, because, like I remember, they just had a recent Halloween trilogy right, and so, like, when they did the first of these most recent Halloween's from Blumhouse that have come out and spoiler alert, they just killed Michael Myers off, you know, in the last movie but of that trilogy that leads up to his death, I went inside in theaters and there were teenagers disrupting the movie and I thought, well, okay, you know, teenagers can get pretty loud and obnoxious anyway at a horror movie. Maybe they're getting excited by the movie, but it's not that. It's like they were doing like the tiktok challenge to like disrupt the movie on purpose, like, hey, let's go to movie theater and fuck around.

Speaker 1: 8:37

Oh, I mean yeah, for people watching the movie, and so that's what you can't control. You can't control the environment. So the live environment is what? Like if you go to a really funny movie, it is really amazing to laugh with other people. Like only when you feel connected with a group of people, a shared experience for laughter is an amazing Feeling. Like if you go to a comic club and enjoy the comedian and you and everybody's laughing, so you can, you can look around and be like we're all sharing this, so we can all relate on some level. We're not alone. We're all laughing in this, right. But if you're at a movie and you don't, you can't, like you're disconnected because you're not agreeing to the anarchy or whatever's happening Right and you've spent money, right, so you spent money to know how to devolve into this scenario where you're just dealing with Everything else but the movie.

Speaker 3: 9:28

Yeah, I'm the other 66% of that. Statistically, I love to go to the movie theater.

Speaker 1: 9:35

Yeah, because of it being an event like it's something so do you actually love that action, even if something disrupts the movie, but it's, it's particular to that moment in time, so well there's, like there's events where I'm like that's unacceptable or like, okay, that was fine.

Speaker 3: 9:49

You know, not every time I can go to the movie theater and see a bad movie and still have a good time because of the event of going to a movie. But I, you know, in agreement, like we went and saw a Disney movie in theaters not that long ago. It was way too long right, and that played into the part of me not really enjoyed the movie. But you know, of course, my boyfriend had struck up conversation with the only other guy in our row and that other guy just like took it as an open invitation. And I'm the same, I'm the same as you.

Speaker 3: 10:25

Where I'm like this is there's rules here, yeah it's to watch the movie like I didn't come here to hang out with some freaking rando. Five seats down, he's like token up, you know, in the movie theater. So I in agreement, but I still like the. I'm the 66% like.

Speaker 1: 10:42

I love school, that like Alamo draft houses, like there's like unwritten rules of their culture, like the culture they put out. There is like hey, these are all movie lovers and moviegoers and movie critics and we're gonna drink a beer, eat our hot dogs or order our or our burritos or whatever or whatever. The food special is that they the hot wings and watch a movie together and the commentary usually about that event is like related to the movie, right, because it's like an environment for For that stuff to happen. And Then they're like well, I'm sure when you were a kid no, I wasn't really a prick in movie theaters when I was a kid I was fascinated by them.

Speaker 1: 11:16

I love movies you know, right and I can think of some of the movie experiences that like stuck in my brain. I remember, like well, because I'm at the square, I'm at the squared age where, like Well, all millennials are like, we had like old technology, then we got the new technology and we're like we're phasing out of being young, but we have all these memories of like the, the transition from the old to the new.

Speaker 1: 11:38

You know what I mean, like we're right in that pocket and like a generally, I think the generation behind us wants to erase us and the one ahead of us wants to keep us in our little controlled environment. Right, yeah, but I remember, like I mean, probably the reason I love Watching movies at home is because most of my movie experience was just renting videos, right, and that experience is definitely Exactly it's so different.

Speaker 1: 12:02

Right, it's not the movie, it's not a theater experience. It's like you have. You have four or five movies in your hand, in your up all night watching them, as opposed to me. They have a theme, right, it's just like we run monthly themes, hello, you know, it's like we're running a mental video store or something.

Speaker 2: 12:16

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 12:17

Except for except for not renting things out to people. We're kind of running the video store experience on this show. But as far as like Memorizing movies that I've been to, like I remember like Ninja Turtles is in theaters, like my older sister took me to see it it's like one of my Early movie memories the. Ninja Turtles and like I'm ever trying to peek through the doors, mm-hmm and I'm and obviously because it's a childhood memory, it's like all these doors are huge.

Speaker 1: 12:47

I mean and the glint of the movie screen. You know what I mean the light. I'm not like I'm trying to get a, trying to snap a shot of like Shredder or like the turtles, you know like and this was all hype, because they're like, oh, they're animatronic turtles, they look like they're real-life people, like it was at that moment in time that was like the biggest movie around the block, right. So you know that was the place to be. If you were at the movie theaters like I'd hook, I mean.

Speaker 1: 13:11

I saw that I saw hook in the movie theaters to on a date I.

Speaker 3: 13:15

Think I told the story already, like three months ago, though that you shared it but we have more to talk about besides these studies.

Speaker 1: 13:24

But so, I guess, is your ultimate feedback that you so, do you not? Well, I guess? Let's sum it up you don't get the strong look, you can't find a show on a streamer, or you do.

Speaker 3: 13:38

Um, oh well, no, I definitely do. I have no idea where they're supposed to.

Speaker 1: 13:41

We're both in that. We're both in that group then and then. But you prefer movie theaters over Over watching it in home.

Speaker 3: 13:48

Well, you know, of course I like to. I won't wait, like if it's something I want to see in theaters. I won't wait.

Speaker 1: 13:53

Oh, I see.

Speaker 3: 13:54

I'll go to the movie to watch.

Speaker 1: 13:56

Yeah, if it's a good enough story or the movie's exciting enough for okay.

Speaker 3: 14:00

Absolutely a hundred percent. Yeah, it brings you in, it does.

Speaker 1: 14:05

Wow, what was the last movie that did that? Oh, probably the new Star Wars. Yeah, I think I saw all three of the most recent Star Wars trilogy movies in my goodness.

Speaker 3: 14:15

It's funny because I'm thinking about one of my youngest like memories of the movie theater, of course, yeah, but I remember specifically going with my dad to see Revenge of the Sith. I remember Like so vividly and just like that one specific scene and go to the movie theater with my dad and that's like one that I can remember from yeah from that time I remember my movie theater perfectly and like the carpet and how I could like stomp on the carpet and you'd hear it reverberate with like their echo technology.

Speaker 1: 14:51

Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, they had just invented THX and I'm axe and like.

Speaker 2: 14:56

Dolby digital it's coming out.

Speaker 1: 14:57

Yeah, dang, dang man. Um, continuing on with these headlines that I got lost in for a second. Jennifer Garner and Paul Walter Hauser are gonna star in the true crime movie fruitcake. Believe it or not, folks, it's about a couple that rips off a bakery for like $18 million or something like that, so it's like an embezzlement drama. It looks good. Jennifer Garner you might know her from I don't know all the way back to a show called alias, but you've probably seen her in 13 going on 30. Love her Draft day. She has an interesting character. What's the other thing I Tried to write down? Oh, oh, dallas Byers Club. She plays the supportive doctor that's trying to help out the main dude, you know, played by Matthew McConaughey. That's a great movie, folks, and it's a based on a real story.

Speaker 3: 15:48

Look that one up.

Speaker 1: 15:50

And then Paul Walter Hauser going back to itanya when he plays the dumbfounded buddy. You gets caught up in the what, tonya Harding? Is that her name, tonya?

Speaker 2: 16:01

hard.

Speaker 1: 16:01

Yeah, tonya Harding scandal. Yeah, he's also in a serial killer show called blackbird and Well and I mentioned this on maybe two episodes ago the movie Queen pins had popped up on Netflix. He's in that, his guy, me, his character. It's so funny. Like two or three of his characters are kind of like relatable. They're like these intense, awkward guys that want to have positions of power but they, they just don't have it.

Speaker 2: 16:27

You know what.

Speaker 1: 16:27

I mean Like even in Queen pins, because he's like that, he's like the store store detective or something like Implied by the grocery stores to catch people doing bad, or I don't know I love him in itanya.

Speaker 3: 16:39

His character is just done so oh, yeah, so like, just believe that he's this. You know Not to be inside baseball.

Speaker 1: 16:47

So, folks, if you haven't seen itanya like he plays the buddy of the boyfriend who gets caught up it and trying to arrange the beatings or whatever at the hockey or not, not hockey, sorry figure skating events like the Nancy Carrigan beating and like the attack. So he's the guy that helped plan it or something carry. But he's, he like has these flights of fantasy in his. You know, he I don't know if he has like an actual condition or if he's just like a neurotically what do they call that? Pathological liar or something. Yeah, because he's like oh, I secretly trained with the CIA or all he thinks he's like, yeah, it's all fabricated anyway, pretty interesting stuff. Here's okay, here's a mindblower. Or, for horror movie fans, this is a. This is a big deal.

Speaker 1: 17:35

Neve Campbell is gonna be back as Cindy Prescott and scream seven, and they're plugging the original writer, kevin Williamson, in as the director and let's see, he wrote one, he wrote the second one, produced a couple, the other ones and then wrote the fourth one. So scream four is what set off these new characters into this new trilogy that we just watched. So it's coming back for scream seven, which I'm pretty excited about this because it's kind of like. They're like getting back to basics, right, they're like let's go back to that origin story. You know what I mean, like let's. And a lot of people probably think that West Craven wrote scream. They probably don't ever think of Kevin Williamson, but Also Kevin Williamson, the creator of Dawson's Creek, you know what I mean. He just didn't do scream, so anyway, anyway, I'm clearly a Kevin fan here.

Speaker 1: 18:23

And oh, teaching Mrs Tingle, where the three students conspire to get rid of their bad teacher. But they were originally gonna call that one killing Mrs Tingle. But of course, like they're like, oh, we can't put killing on a poster. Or like we can't, the marketing department's like, oh, we can't, we can't call it killing the teacher. You know, like, anyway, was that? Was that Helen Mirren? It might have been Helen Mirren, unless I'm completely wrong. Did they get Helen Mirren for that movie? I Don't know, I didn't. Folks, I didn't expect to talk about teaching Mrs Tingle. The movie is good. I can say that I already have a course correction, so I don't want to say Helen Mirren's in that movie, because I do have a course correction coming up momentarily. However, we know Jordan's opinion on rubber mask monsters. But, jordan, how do you feel about little animatronic puppet monsters.

Speaker 3: 19:12

I'm here for it. You know it, she's here for it. I've had some movement in this in this jaw area.

Speaker 1: 19:21

There's a dude playing around with black magic in this movie called Goules, and so he's about to have a house party, but then at the same time, like, oh, he summoned these Goules from hell, hmm. And so they're. They're like, they're like, you know, the they're practical effects, they're like little animatronic puppets that are supposed to be a little. I Mean, they're called Goules, which is like basically made up word. It's not a ghoul, it's not a goblin, it's a Gouli.

Speaker 1: 19:46

It's a Gouli yeah so the I guess the creators have gotten the rights back and they're gonna make, like you know, a new trilogy of the Gouli's. And again, I know we said, we said recently we don't like remakes, and it's mostly true, so hopefully it'll be like direct sequels, which, which actually was trying to think what did they do recently? That was direct sequels. Oh well, the new Halloween trilogy was a direct sequel.

Speaker 3: 20:12

That's when we can break that rule of that 74% of millennials like, like original content. I feel like when you're bringing back like original creators or same thing with screen seven, like for going back to the basics, like that is stuff that I want to.

Speaker 1: 20:26

I guess what it is is like the industry just follows the formulas that work until they don't work anymore. Right and then they're like remakes and reboots were like all the hype for like 15 years. All of a sudden, all they're starting to get sluggish and they're not attracting as many audience.

Speaker 1: 20:41

Goers are like, oh, maybe we just what's this thing called direct sequel, yeah, or like the audience has seen all the movies, so yes, you don't have to go back to zero, you can just keep going and they'll stay with you. You know what I mean? Like we're that we're savvy enough to have seen all the sequels. We can just keep plugging along here with entertainment, you know. Anyway, unless oh, my course correction, okay, so I think was last week I was talking about Deathstalker and I lumped it in with all the Italian sword and sorcery or Sword and sandal movies that were coming out in the 80s and early 90s. That one's actually made in Argentina, at least the first one is. But and it has, one of the producers is American, roger Corman. He's like a B movie director and producer, so he had some attachment to it.

Speaker 1: 21:34

However, I will say the reason I thought it was something with all the Italians Is because, like the original grandfather of like that genre is obviously Conan the barbarian, which is made by a director whose name is John Milius. He's a great director. Conan the barbarian is kind of like the granddaddy of that genre. There's actually great documentary about Conan and John Milius. However, it's an Italian producer who's like look up Dino De Laurenti and the De Laurenti's group. Like he produced a ton of stuff and You'll see like why he's one of my favorite producers of all time.

Speaker 1: 22:05

But I think that's why because there were so many Italian marketed or Movies that were shot in Italy with Italian producers in that genre that maybe I just naturally assumed it extended to Deathstalker. But you know, there's some film fans out there that are like ready to Gonna be beaten down the door here in the studio and kill me. No, anyway, no, but see how bad I feel if I screw up, screw up movie knowledge or something. I'm like like dang it Well, like anyway, I don't care about bill collectors, the IRS, taxes, I don't care about landlords and I don't know.

Speaker 2: 22:46

Nothing, not Of not any actual problems in real life.

Speaker 1: 22:51

None of my real life problems mattered. Just like I feel bad of having offended you know, maybe I don't know five film fans that are tracking the Deathstalker series.

Speaker 1: 23:01

You know, I mean like sorry guys, I picked the wrong locale. You know those may have been bad examples. I'm not saying I have problems with the IRS or taxes or landlords or anything else. I just I'm trying to say, like you have regular problems but you're more concerned about how anonymous, faceless movie fans will treat you online. You know they mean. That's just of what I'm trying to say. Hopefully that's clear. I don't ever know if things are clear or not. Apparently they're not on tiktok, but that's a different story. Anyway, tiktok, tiktok.

Speaker 1: 23:36

We're not here to talk about tiktok or Deathstalker fans. We're here to talk about the movie called Santa Sangre, which apparently means the holy blood. I don't know if I just stole one of your savage stats, but no, the title means holy blood, which it was saying a few times, so I should have caught it. But anyway, imdb says this is a movie about a sura former circus artist that escapes from a mental hospital to rejoin his armless mother, the leader of a strange religious cult, and then he's forced to enact brutal murders in her name as he becomes her arms. One of our classic, weird September episodes actually covered El Topo, made by the same filmmaker, alejandro Joe Adarshki.

Speaker 1: 24:19

And Are you talking about the Suns. Are you talking about the cast? We could talk a little bit about that. Yeah, how his son? Well, his son, axel, looks just like him and for I thought for a second it was Alejandro, but no, apparently it's just his oldest son. I didn't realize he had three sons. And then his other son plays the main character in the flashbacks, plays Phoenix when he's Little, because there's like two ages.

Speaker 1: 24:44

You see the Phoenix when he's like about nine or ten and his dad tack twos his chest, crazy, crazy. But there's also, like that great yin yang between the parents, like the dads, like a drunken circus Barker, you know carnival dude.

Speaker 2: 25:00

It's like highest religious master.

Speaker 1: 25:03

Yeah, but Jordan love, star-crossed love affairs. The mom is super in the daddy circus. Yes, she is, you know, it can't be that religious well in for good reason.

Speaker 3: 25:15

He hypnotizes her apparently with the knife.

Speaker 1: 25:20

Yeah, we got a. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1: 25:25

Yeah, yeah the story behind the made-up saint is pretty crazy. In this movie, too, folks like it is. Some girl got a tack-plaster arms and then they built a whole church Around that concept and they thought that this swimming pool that was filled with contaminated paint and water was actually the blood of this girl who died and the mom had built a whole church around it. But then they're I mean spoiler alert the real church shows up in the beginning like hey, there's some land development in the city. We've just sold this plot. Your church isn't real.

Speaker 3: 26:02

What do you got savage stats for a very savage movie, jordan had to get a little creative with these ones, so the US had two versions available on video. You've got the R rated version and then you have the NC 17 version.

Speaker 1: 26:21

Yeah, calm, you know how to look at NC 17 label on it.

Speaker 3: 26:25

Yeah, and that's one that we watch, so that one is I just got.

Speaker 1: 26:30

Can I stop? I don't mean to interrupt this early, but I just want to say like it's not very NC 17, so don't get excited out there, don't like people are like, yeah, nc 17.

Speaker 3: 26:39

It's not that outrageous well, and I think maybe just like full scenes are deleted that are considered like a little graphic for the movie specifically, and they're only three minutes apart or in a difference. The difference is Essentially the dismemberment of the mother. It's kind of like a huge part of the story like I guess they don't graphically show it where the father essentially, you know, goes to cut off both of her arms and there's like blood Splirting out everywhere and then when he goes to like continue to kill himself right, he Doesn't like they actually cut out that scene of where he just, you know, right across the neck. So that is not in our rated version. The more noticeable scene is the death of the tattooed woman, which is, I would say, pretty graphic. You didn't think so?

Speaker 1: 27:41

No, that's more suggestive. That's like the death in Hitchcock's psycho. You know where she's in the shower. You don't actually see her naked, but you think you saw her naked because she's vulnerable.

Speaker 3: 27:51

Well, you don't see the person, you see the hand, but like they actually the whole night sticking out from the back, he stabs her or she, you know, and it's since the arms stabs.

Speaker 1: 28:02

I mean it's pretty graphic death scene. But as far as horror movies go, it's a great. It's a great like a set piece, you know whatever definitely.

Speaker 3: 28:11

Well, there's blood like literally. You see it go through about a gallon.

Speaker 1: 28:15

Yeah we're about a gallon and a half. It's pretty gnarly.

Speaker 3: 28:20

Oh, that's just like completely not in our rated version. So the only verse.

Speaker 1: 28:26

So the only if you the best version you can get your hands on is 17 and that's the one to watch, you'd probably be disappointed with the other version.

Speaker 3: 28:34

I would say so. Yeah that's what I would say Got a number of nominations and awards. So Best horror film Nominee, we've got best actor for axle. It also got best performance by a younger actor, which was for Aiden. I'm pretty sure the girl as well got that Award for Fabiola, a linka tapia. She plays the older version of Alma, who's the mind, the mute mind. So that was pretty cool, I think the face of the movie.

Speaker 1: 29:21

All the artwork depicts the, the girl with the painted face. Yes, that's nice to hear that axle was nominated for something because like he seems Truly lost in this movie, like he seems damaged goods, trauma, like repetitive abuse, like he looks like he's living it. So it's pretty interesting. I wondered if they had a real fish. Like when he's in the same asylum he acts birdlike, like he acts like his namesake, yeah, and he's eating raw fish. And I was like, oh, I wonder if the easiest thing to do would be like here's just a raw fish, just bite into this. Well, the doctor tries to calm me down.

Speaker 3: 29:58

Like, how many, like? It's a real fish. How many fish you?

Speaker 1: 30:03

know, I know the Argento's have a twisted family history with working in the cinema with the daughters and the brothers and everything like that In the Jawa world and, I assume, the Jara Darcey's having to work together on all these movies. Let's have like a really intense family history, you know, and who knows what that's like behind the scenes. But I would like to add to your stats Claudio Argento is a famous producer and he helped write this movie and he's the younger brother of Daria Argento, the Italian horror filmmaker. So in Claudio's Filmography, like, he produced tenebra, produced asperia and, um, deep red.

Speaker 1: 30:46

So if you look up, oh, also in America, yeah, I think he was helping to produce Donna the dead with George Romero, but like the original from the 70s. But, um, they looked that up, you know. So to see, like the first thing I saw it got pretty excited was when I saw Argento's name in the beginning I was like, oh, I didn't know there was a Argento Jordarsky like connection. You know what I mean. So, um, that got my nipples hard, folks. I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3: 31:19

And I was reading deep into some articles and blogs and stuff about this movie. I thought pretty interesting and definitely reflected, you know, in some of the roles of the film. But Jorda Rowsky had occupied the edges of the art. He was a clown and puppeteer and studied under the mime.

Speaker 1: 31:36

Marcel Marceau Found that pretty well like the most famous living mind of all time. Yeah, wrote the book of Miami, or they wrote the. They wrote the book about him and who knows All right. So we'll be right back at these messages with our favorite bits from Santa Sangria, which choppin chop is chopping off bits everywhere. Anyway yeah. Lots of bits.

Speaker 3: 32:06

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Speaker 1: 34:07

Now back to the podcast already in progress. Favorite bits from Santa Cengar hmm.

Speaker 3: 34:16

I mean, this is just like a non-stop train of color and the Are you saying it's a? Buffet of bits. It is, it's a bit buffet is what it is. Yeah, you're hungry for bits. This is gonna satiate it. Right, because I Do.

Speaker 1: 34:37

We have to explain what bits are. Are they? Are they keeping up?

Speaker 3: 34:41

I Guess we might need to, I mean.

Speaker 1: 34:45

Favorite bits or favorite favorite scenes from the movie. You're watching movie the week, santa Cengar, or just like yeah, she's she entertained. What you're gonna love about the movie you.

Speaker 3: 34:57

I Think one of my favorite bits was when older Alma escapes her adopted mother, which is the tattooed woman. The tattooed woman's like prostituted her out and herself, and Alma escapes and she's like running through what would be like a I don't know like a parade or a festival or something, and so I don't know, it's just wild, it's just wild. And then she essentially stage like.

Speaker 1: 35:33

So Going back a mom there's a mother or father and a son and they essentially their family unit runs the major attractions at the circus. It's implied that they own the circus. Then a new act is Introduced with the tattooed lady, who the father is gonna throw his knife set, which used to be the act he did with the mom before she got busy with her religious cult. The mom gets brought back into the circus and and yeah, her church is demolished. The church is demolished, she, she is getting brought back into the circus but then notices the wandering eye of the dad towards a tattooed woman and Accompanying the tattooed woman, you assume it's her daughter.

Speaker 1: 36:20

It's a mute and the they're trying to develop an act for the, the girl, and they wanted to walk on like a burning tightrope, I don't know. So there's like a flaming tightrope. We get these which is like visual tension to introduce the tension between the players and then who. The mom catches the dad with the tattooed lady and throws hydrochloric acid on his penis and then, as he's Mutilated and dying, he decides he's gonna chop off the mother's arms and then Himself and yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:51

So she kind of takes a place of the, the armless saint, and then like, yeah, the dad's like dude, like I'm a, I'm a bull. He's like, basically, I can't live castrated, you know, like as a. Unique or whatever, or like not. I mean cuz the dad, the, the papa or whatever of the circus. He's like trying to live like this, this gangsta Elvis Rockabilly freaking some kind of Rock. He's like, you know, king of the Castle. You.

Speaker 3: 37:19

You like camera action?

Speaker 1: 37:21

Oh, it's like a rooster that can't crow anymore, you know.

Speaker 2: 37:24

I mean.

Speaker 1: 37:27

I can't struggle around anymore, I'm done Same. My immediate thought was like yeah, you go out hard, you go out the way exactly the way that you want to go out.

Speaker 3: 37:37

Yeah, I'm not mad.

Speaker 1: 37:38

I'm not mad that he commits adultery on the mother circus because, like she's busy running, I mean, like you know, I, oh, you know, it's really it's. It's kind of funny though, because, like they do hook up though, the mother does come back and immediately hook up with the dad, so which scars the boy. This is what causes his edifice Rex thing to start. Or, like his, his obsession with his mother is because he catches them having sex in a haystack. So, oh, that anyway. So that stage is set for you guys. So, anyway, when she's talking about the new girl running away, you know.

Speaker 3: 38:09

You know all the players now setting the stage do it's like there's so much going on. That's wrong during the whole thing and it just like you know. He essentially, you know, or Phoenix, has to grapple with all of the stuff that he witnesses as a child and that's what you're seeing Go on when he's an adult is like him, trying to grapple with what he Well then, you literally ask his mom's hands.

Speaker 3: 38:36

He stands behind the mother and, like they, puppets her around and does whatever feeds her, assuming she got all our activities, you know, but you got it, and that's like probably my favorite bit, though, was like when he goes to act as her arms, they just nail the performance in the way like a hand would be positioned to talking, to holding.

Speaker 1: 39:00

In sync with the acting. For sure.

Speaker 2: 39:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah they're, movements are like in twine.

Speaker 1: 39:06

Yeah, it's synchronicity. Yeah, so for my favorite, are you ready for mine? Yeah, bring it on. I tried to stay specific as much as possible. The elephant funeral I love that.

Speaker 1: 39:22

In the movie it was sad to see the sick elephant. I didn't know elephants could bleed up their trunk like that and or get sick, like in that way and then. But the fact that they took the time to build a giant casket and take it through the city and do a whole elephant funeral, there you go the dream he has, a dream where all his victims come out of their graves and wedding veils and they're all female victims. I thought that was crazy. They're all painted white but they're all nude except for the wedding veil. So you know, that was intense.

Speaker 1: 39:52

And then, for my third is kind of like mixed, the playing the piano, where things really go awry and their relationship really crosses all boundaries. Right, when they're playing the piano together and and then it's clear that they're I've got to engage in a romantic relationship. So when that thing breaks the laws of nature or there is a final folks, there is a final twist in the end, hello, that like, yes, he's been murdering. Okay, spoiler alert, this is the big one. This is the big spoiler. Yeah, move ahead or drop down.

Speaker 3: 40:28

He gets his name.

Speaker 1: 40:30

Yeah, this is where it comes from. So, um, he's been hallucinating the mother the whole time. When she died, she didn't survive, she's the big minute, exactly it's in. So so there's probably some Insistencies where you're like well, if that were true, how did that part, how did that go down? What?

Speaker 1: 40:50

like yeah, you, would you go through it, but like the one point like you never, you never think that he's hallucinating there because, like there's that one scene where he, his arms, are possessed, he feels like he's possessed by the mother and like he's like trying to fight against the urge to kill with his arms and it's like she's controlling him. Look, with mental, you know whatever, like us, you know like she's literally possessed and mind-boding soul or whatever. But, um, so, anyway, that was a. I didn't see it coming, I wasn't prepared for it. I was like, oh man, holy crap, holy crap. And then, and then that the mute girl is like setting him up for some justice. At the end it's like in the like, you know, put your hands up. And then the final frame of the movie, the Mexico City police or whatever it shows up, the federales are there. You know like, and you're like, oh man. So I've totally just spoiled the movie for anybody that got excited to watch it by listening to us. I warned you in the beginning.

Speaker 3: 41:43

There is so much more. To see in this movie. Then there is then the final twist, so you would not be disappointed if you watch this. Yeah, that's all I have to say before we read it.

Speaker 1: 41:59

Yeah, so we have a special rating system on the show. I've talked a lot tonight and I've gotten rather excited. I'll let Jordan explain how we the ratings yeah.

Speaker 3: 42:09

So we've got three ratings here at binge watchers podcast. We've got binge now, which means Put it at the top of your list, watch it tonight, watch it tomorrow, watch it immediately. And there's binge later, which means get it on the list, but you'll get around to it soon. Or there's binge never, which means waste of time, you can't get that time back. There are things called bench never. We've been debating it lately, but it is a thing and so, yeah, bench now, binge later, bench never. For me, this movie is a bench now. It's not a movie that I would recommend to the everyday movie watcher, but, like the people who watch movies, like we watch movies, this is one that's gonna stick with me for a while.

Speaker 1: 42:59

So, once you start your Jorodowski journey To watch Alejandro's movies, you will complete it. Like El Topo I saw twice. I haven't seen the Holy Mountain yet, like I'm working my way up to that because it's supposed to be like his masterpiece, right, but now we've seen Santa's song and, yeah, obviously, obviously I mean probably you could tell from my level of excitement during this episode that I like it a lot. However, I was worried that I found the movie that broke Jordan because like Eventually, all of us arriving a movie that would make us walk away from the show and not do anymore, and I was like she hadn't said anything all day, all day, and usually should chimes in on a show night, she gets excited about doing the pot and she'll chime in and tell me, like maybe one or two details, like not necessarily I can guess which way she's gonna like rate like what, how she gonna review the movie but and like her opinion of it.

Speaker 1: 43:53

But she'll give me, she'll give me something. So I'm gonna taste the something and like today a little nibble Like just radio silence all day, nothing, just like not one word. And I'm like, oh man, like like what did we do? You know what I mean like, like, I'm gonna turn the microphone on, I'm gonna start at the appointed time and it's just gonna be Feedback because she wasn't gonna be there.

Speaker 2: 44:17

It's a code blue, code, blue, yeah exactly, yeah, tomorrow I'll get a message like I don't know why we watch that yeah, bye, but no, but now, like you have, you have full stripes.

Speaker 1: 44:29

Like how does a zebra earn its stripes? This is having walks through this movie like this yeah, 100 certified.

Speaker 1: 44:37

Bender watcher anyway, we, oh I think we got like the best, the best ever fan service comment, and so I think I will just pull it up real quick because it's hilarious, oh, and it's also good in content. So a username ghost Reaper chimed in and said I'm high ASF. So I'm high as fuck right now, and it's all abbreviated it's like you know ASF, rn and you know what I mean. So like you just got to pull it out of the message. Like him saying I'm high as fuck right now, I can't understand words, but your shirt is fire. So he was responding to a colorful shirt that I was wearing last week when we were talking.

Speaker 1: 45:31

What did we do? What did we talk about last week? This should be in recent memory. What do we talk? Oh, wishmaster, to all were covering evil never dies, so anyway. So he was responding to the evil never dies shirt, which is somebody had already. Somebody had said that my shirt was like a mix between Ronald McDonald and like some kind of like nightclub or so I don't know. Anyway, I don't know why they like that. I have a bunch of weird shirts that.

Speaker 2: 45:58

I wear.

Speaker 1: 45:59

Yeah, to do this whole thing and like, anyway, I know, anyway, anyway, the weather's warming up, so we're going to start breaking out some of these, some of these wild shirts here and my favorite was the thumbnail art that you did on one of the social media channel.

Speaker 1: 46:15

Oh, oh yeah, Listen, here's what's getting so, folks, it was getting crazy about it when you ask for it to do art suggestions and you plug in information. Like it put me in a jumpsuit, In a float, with a beer in my hand in the middle of a river and like. So, like, wait a minute. Like has it been listening to 20 episodes of our show where Jordan and I are talking about kicking back with this old one in a river somewhere, Like you know? Like because I didn't think my prompt was that good. So I was like where is it pulling all this information from? That perfectly matches our attitude on the show. Dang it man.

Speaker 1: 46:51

Like jumpsuit, John, it was actually I don't have to worry about Jordan quitting because she's disgusted by a movie. Because I can just AI Jordan, I'll just plug in the AI. Jordan will be, good to go man.

Speaker 2: 47:05

I'm here for it.

Speaker 1: 47:06

Yeah, the artworks getting really fun, really fun. Staff picks if you watch something else besides the movie the week, want to drop on the audience or share with them. What do you got?

Speaker 3: 47:19

The reason why I was radio silence was because I was moving again. And I didn't even have internet until yesterday. I like this is another believe in it story.

Speaker 1: 47:27

Jordan had plants destroying her pipes in her apartment and her apartment building or or whatever her. Is it a duplex, townplex, what is like? So they're kind of almost like a quadplex. Ok, yeah, so they had to figure out. Her property manager had to figure out where to where to send her because the plants were eating everything. So crazy. It sounds like a horror movie plot in itself Really good.

Speaker 3: 47:52

Yeah, it was disastrous. We finally moved, even though it was only a quarter of a mile. It was so tough. I've never been more tired and sore in my entire life, but the DVD player did come in handy.

Speaker 1: 48:04

I threw on Talladega nights and that's what we were working with because we didn't have a good compression movie. Oh, so, good, yeah You're the first of your last, ricky Bobby. Yeah, how long go fast.

Speaker 3: 48:19

So that's what we watched. What about you? Anything good?

Speaker 1: 48:23

I watched this movie called Dream Scenario, where people are having the same phenomenon, psychological phenomenon where they're dreaming about the same boring college professor, played with full obviously is very eccentric in this one. So Nick Cage is playing the college professor. Everybody's having a dream and there's usually like a negative part of the dream, but he's just like a bystander. He's like one kid. It's like, oh, we're in a field where these mushrooms are there and people are trying to hide from this other person that is suddenly chasing me and then you don't help me but you stop and eat the mushrooms and other persons. Like, oh, I'm sitting on a piano and there's alligators attacking me, but you're just watching me through a window. So he's like a passive observer of what they're doing, like a voyeur or whatever Right, and like in real life he's upset that his research into whatever I forget what he's anthropology or biology or something that he's into Like he has these work papers and a former colleague, slash girlfriend, is going to publish some of his work into her work and he's mad that he's not. He like spent 20 years, whatever, working on something and then all of a sudden he's famous for being the guy everybody's dreaming of. And then, like all the agencies come out of the work, so like we want you to drink Sprite, so then people will dream about you drinking Sprite and we'll buy Sprite, you know what I mean? Like like they bring him these brand deals and then, like so at one point he interacts with one of the dreamers and that's where all the dreams turn into nightmares, like in real life. He tries to act out a fantasy with one of the dreamers and then, like that flips it like a light switch All of a sudden, all the dreams are all negative all the time, like like you know, night terrors or whatever. Yeah, anyway, I sound pretty excited about that movie too. Sounds awesome, sounds complex, but I mean there's no, there's no, I wanted definitive answers. And again, it's a fantasy, so it kind of just, it doesn't resolve much, except it does tie back into something between him and his wife that they were saying in the beginning, and so what happens is it's like I don't know if I should say what happens. Don't do it. Uncertain, you don't do it. Don't do it. It's on Max. If anybody wants to watch it, you can go watch it on the Max app or whatever. They just dropped it on there and it probably had a brief theatrical run but wasn't, like you know, blinken you miss it. It said.

Speaker 1: 50:55

It seems it has like an indie movie feel and again it's like, like you said earlier, the movie the week was like something for moviegoers taste like if they're chomping at the bit for something a little strange, a little extra. You know the fat steak, but they want to have steak with, you know, garlic, aioli sauce or something. You don't want to step outside, something that's a little bit normal. Same thing If you're like tracking down what about what happened? I'm not seeing with Nick Gage and and what's a little weird. You know you find this movie Wow. One of the reasons I was watching this movie is we are gearing up for fantasy movie vibes. We're going to be rolling into fantasy movies. Jordan, we have, like I almost like text bomb you the other day or like just message you know, like you know, interrupted your actual work that you have to do.

Speaker 2: 51:42

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 51:43

There's a series of images and messages because the next few months are, like, going to be pretty, pretty exciting because, like, let's see, we're rolling into fantasy movie month with some fantasy movies, and then we have an anime run, and then we are going to be.

Speaker 3: 51:58

Summer slash already.

Speaker 1: 51:59

Yeah, summer slash. Six, six, six is around the freaking corner.

Speaker 1: 52:05

Oh it's going to be the biggest year ever and like we have, but I'm you're going in for a full year, like we've been having these short runs last couple of marathons. But this is like back in the thick of it, like we're going to be here in a couple of months. Here in a couple of months, we will be in a 13 week run of horror movie reviews. So, but again, but right before that, we get to watch some action packed, pretty awesome fantasy movies and then, like you know, we'll be in before we know it, blinking, it'll be gone. We'll be an anime month, you know. So we have like the show's getting nuts and it's a good year. It's, I call it the rebel year or the punk rock year. We're just doing. We're doing things a little bit different. We have a bunch of cool stuff coming up. That's all I can say.

Speaker 3: 52:47

I love it. Let's do it, bring it on.

Speaker 2: 53:18

Yeah, the show's over. You want to admit that you were traumatized by this movie?

Speaker 1: 53:23

Oh for sure, they can't do movies like this movie anymore, so I hadn't thought about that.

Speaker 2: 53:30

Can you take?

Speaker 1: 53:31

a movie to these extremes today.

Speaker 3: 53:33

Oh no, wow, no, not with the way, yeah, so but absolutely, I mean I'm not sure.

Speaker 1: 53:41

I mean I'm not sure.

Speaker 3: 53:43

I mean.

Speaker 2: 53:44

I'm not sure I mean.

Speaker 3: 53:44

I'm not sure so, but absolutely entertaining and I liked it.

Speaker 1: 53:50

So yeah, so there you go.