Ever wondered if your smartphone could give you more than just notifications? Imagine a world where cybernetic viruses spread through Wi-Fi, and your health is as vulnerable as your data privacy. That's the springboard for my co-host, Jordan Savage, and me as we kick things off with a laugh before diving headfirst into the darkest corners of the film "Sightseers." It's a slasher that carves up not only its victims but also the very fabric of thriller tropes, and we're here to dissect every bloody layer for your eerie entertainment.
From the silver screen's chilling narratives to the equally gripping, albeit more personal, tales of my own health escapades, this episode takes you on a rollercoaster of emotions. We go from discussing the comedic side of chronic nosebleeds to the serious implications of self-medicating with fast food for anemia. And, as our feverish minds wander through the winding paths of conspiracy theories and the contentious topic of film reboots, you'll find yourself questioning reality alongside us.
Capping off this cinematic sojourn, Jordan and I put the lens on Hollywood's current landscape, from SNL's latest missteps to the subtle artistry found in less celebrated movies like 'Copland'. Whether we're debating the pacing of 'Goodfellas' or applauding the understated brilliance of Ray Liotta's diverse roles, this episode is guaranteed to offer fresh perspectives on the movies we love—or love to critique. So, refill that popcorn and prepare for an hour where movies and mayhem meet, only on the Binge-Watchers Podcast.
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Ever wondered if your smartphone could give you more than just notifications? Imagine a world where cybernetic viruses spread through Wi-Fi, and your health is as vulnerable as your data privacy. That's the springboard for my co-host, Jordan Savage, and me as we kick things off with a laugh before diving headfirst into the darkest corners of the film "Sightseers." It's a slasher that carves up not only its victims but also the very fabric of thriller tropes, and we're here to dissect every bloody layer for your eerie entertainment.
From the silver screen's chilling narratives to the equally gripping, albeit more personal, tales of my own health escapades, this episode takes you on a rollercoaster of emotions. We go from discussing the comedic side of chronic nosebleeds to the serious implications of self-medicating with fast food for anemia. And, as our feverish minds wander through the winding paths of conspiracy theories and the contentious topic of film reboots, you'll find yourself questioning reality alongside us.
Capping off this cinematic sojourn, Jordan and I put the lens on Hollywood's current landscape, from SNL's latest missteps to the subtle artistry found in less celebrated movies like 'Copland'. Whether we're debating the pacing of 'Goodfellas' or applauding the understated brilliance of Ray Liotta's diverse roles, this episode is guaranteed to offer fresh perspectives on the movies we love—or love to critique. So, refill that popcorn and prepare for an hour where movies and mayhem meet, only on the Binge-Watchers Podcast.
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Oh man, over the weekend I sent Jordan a text About award shows and award show policy and then, like within a half hour of sending that text, I got the chills, I got the fevers. I was in for like a weekend of like Just Horribleness. No, I don't know if I got like the accursed flu. I had told her that, like the e-channel entertainment channel or something, entertainment, what is it? Et entertainment tonight they do like the red carpet things, and so they were doing the red carpet for the people's Choice Awards and I Felt like it was the same nauseating hosts that were doing the red carpet outside of the SAG Awards and that's the reward, reward show that I was referring to.
Speaker 1:And then I'm like it's all correlated, like the red carpet triangle forget the Bermuda triangle, you know, just watching the red carpet wrong red carpet show, you can, you know, come down with an illness Attack of the virtual flu. I was actually thinking One day you might be able to transmit viruses, like they might evolve. Could you imagine if viruses evolved to travel through like Wi-Fi Right connections to get people? Because it there's like I guess those organisms that we know that like are evolving to eat plastics in the Ocean and stuff like that. But I was like oh yeah, what if the cold, this the new super flu is?
Speaker 1:It's gonna come right through your freaking, your modem, if you're right, it's like Wonka Wonka vision yeah but there is, I mean, there is a G-Billy criticism this horror movie called virus, which is like aliens come down through a satellite and they start building robot bodies on a ship out of like dead people. So Anyway, I mean historically that like that movie's been, I Don't know, like people don't like it, but it's pretty good. Yeah, so she's in this movie called virus and like so these alien things, I feel like they came down with the satellites, well, yeah, but then they like are trying to take over dead bodies but with like, they're building like little electronic parts out of them. So I mean that kind of supports theory that I was saying, right, that like viruses one day through the Wi-Fi, maybe that's what the idea comes from. Who knows?
Speaker 1:However, where my flu story deviates is, I Guess I have to give come man, this story is gonna be too long, so let me do the intro. Anyway, I'm yours truly, johnny spoiler. I only spoiled the movies I love. Clearly it's a show about movies, because I've already mentioned a couple, or at least one, and a movie awards show, jordy's all by Jordan Savage, the Savage scream Queen herself. That's a credit, impressive, and acknowledge her scream cleaniness. It's fact. Yeah, out there now on the internet.
Speaker 1:It's a binge watchers show. I think I'm gonna just kind of like not say the word podcast anymore. Anyway, right after this amazing theme song, the best in the world, come back and I'll finish rambling about cybernetic flues and and why it's different from other things. I don't know. We're actually here to talk about a movie, the movie that we can do. I'm gonna go back and talk about the movie that we can do. It's different from other things. I don't know. We're actually here to talk about a movie the movie, the weakest Horror movie. Well, like a slasher, slash Thriller, really kind of like a crime of passion. Yeah, honestly called sights here. So anyway, come back, crack something open, drink it. Come back and hang out with us.
Speaker 2:Crack open a cold box of wine or pour something cold on ice, because it's the binge watches podcast.
Speaker 1:I Can't think of an apocalypse word that starts with an S, because I was gonna be like Something snuffles from hell. But I was trying to come up with another S word and I can't think of one currently. Before we started rolling folks, jordan's like you sound a little stuffed up. I'm like, oh, it's worse than you know. So anyway, I was getting working to watch the screen actors go to ward. I was plugging in Jordan on that one.
Speaker 1:She reminded me what her take on obnoxious red carpet Footages is that she will just record everything and and yeah, just the fact that you know Fast-forward filter on stuff she doesn't want to have to suffer through, and and yeah. So I got racked with some like pretty intense flu or whatever. Like a week after, I mean, my family had had the flu, when this is like a week late, like it was like delayed, like they had it, they went through it. I avoided it. I mean, and I'm one of those guys like I do I I do isolation very quickly. If people are sick around me, I avoid them like the play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like and these zombie movies where it's like, oh your family member and they like agonize for 90 minutes about whether they Gotta get their rid of their children or their wife or their husband. I'm like you're out immediately. It's a us and them situation. You're either a zombie or you're human. There is no, there is no sympathy. It's an us and them situation. How, anyway? So my delayed flu kicked in, but I have this weird situation. This is also like 15.
Speaker 1:I get these chronic nosebleeds, but here's where they deviate. People like, oh, he's just whining, he's being a bitch about nosebleeds. No man Like my nose will bleed for 50 minutes and it'll look like a crime scene. It'll look like I got a gunshot wound. There's so much blood like I'll go into the bathtub because I'm like, oh, it's gonna be so much blood. I don't want it in the bedroom, the living room, the hallway. I don't want my DNA all over my apartment, like as if somebody domestically killed me or something. You know, I have no good reason for it. I was at a neurologist. Like when I had it, when I had health insurance, I went to a neurologist that was like seven years ago and Like, oh yeah, there is something weird here, but they never really um, you know how, like a doctor leaves a practice, nobody follows up. Yes, like he was, like a.
Speaker 2:He's like gone. It's like I got a letter saying he left right, but it was like there was no follow-up.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so I'll get these things and I guess, like I mean I've always been a natural bleeder, like an easy bleeder. You know why I don't, my blood doesn't clot easily so so I can have like a known like a nonsense wound that I have known like a nonsense wound, that it all scares people because it's, it looks like too much blood. So then they start to freak out. I'm like, no, it's not a big deal. Not a big deal.
Speaker 1:However, I had like four of these ragers that were like 45 minutes, 50 minutes each, like back-to-back, and so I was doing so much bleeding that I was like I was like borderline.
Speaker 1:I was like if I go and bleeding the ER, they're gonna have to do something about it, right? Like it was questionable because I got like anemic and I, and then I was like I was telling somebody I was like Go get me a big Mac, because the whole thing is like you know, red meat has like iron and some other stuff in it that like, if you are anemic, like you can turn things around very quickly. So my, my, my self medicating non-insurance asks I got three junior bacon cheeseburgers from Wendy's, plus a large fry and I'm like, if this is my last meal like on death row, then so be. It Sounds so good. And now I just have like a you know sign, this impression. But it was kind of touch-and-go there because I had lost enough blood to get like super lightheaded. And then like Initially I did take like some cough medicine, but then I stayed off of that because it would make me bleed more.
Speaker 2:Right, because they say like so it's such a delicate balance.
Speaker 1:You're like.
Speaker 2:Bloody nose, cold dance yeah.
Speaker 1:However, I was dreaming about secret military bases in Antarctica called command console one and command console two, and they're both like nuclear redundancies or something and I'm like, oh, I'm having like a dream about a conspiracy theory, but also it might be real. So that was googling. What is CC one and CC two? Apparently their ice core samples. I was like, holy shit, they have some kind of real life Relateability to Antarctica. That's just nuts. But yeah, so you know like remote viewing, you know about the CIA's remote viewing where they try to train agents to like look into events in the world. That we're happening like just remote viewing Antarctica. Or we had just watched what last week we watched the finale that true detective which is in Alaska.
Speaker 1:I was thinking yeah, but you know, my other thought while I was sick was like I'm gonna walk out onto the ice, like I'm, like I'm ready. You know, like it gets stupid dramatic when you're sick with the head cold, like you start to trick yourself. I'm like you can't trust your own thoughts. You're just like all right, I've had a good run. This is it.
Speaker 2:Especially when you're like having those, like dayquil, nightquill induced fever dreams you know, and it's like in the sleep and daytime you're like yeah where am I, you know?
Speaker 1:It's funny how like immediate things are when you're really sick. Like you don't care about, like Like your agenda, your schedule, everything just goes out the window immediately. You don't care about modern life or anything, you're just like in this little like cocoon of like. You're just like in this little cocoon, like you just like. I had a hoodie on and I felt like I was just like drifting, like the hoodie was becoming like a literal cocoon. You know what I mean? I was like drifting further, deeper, deeper into the hoodie.
Speaker 1:Couldn't tell you what movies I watched during that time. Obviously the movie the week, because I definitely watched it to get ready for the review. Yeah, anyway. Uh, home video headlines start slightly delayed because I wanted to tell a dramatic story about the flu.
Speaker 1:Anyway, lionsgate is reportedly planning some new versions of American Psycho and the dead zone and for more American psychos about a guy named Patrick Bateman, played by. This was what put Christian Bale kind of like on the radar for American audiences before Batman. Right, there's like a probably a break out thing with audiences over here. However, the filmmakers nor the writer of the book, bretton Easton Ellis, has ever Revealed their feelings as to whether or not the murders in the movie actually take place or if he's the kind of psychopath that just has elicit fantasies. Hmm, neither the book nor the movie answers that question and it interviews the writer has said he never decided, so they could be flights of fan fantasy. They made a direct sequel to the movie, though. They made American Psycho 2, which is like a throwaway movie that nobody cares about, with Mia Kunis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like I wanted done straight to video.
Speaker 1:Like you know, when video rentals were popular it was just like a horror movie sequel. You know, I'm just kind of selling on the name, but in that version the murders took place and Patrick Bateman was a killer because Mia Kunis's character Like gets abducted by his character in that movie and then then manages to kill him and then she becomes the next psycho, whatever. So obviously major deviation from the source material, right? I mean, I would like an answer if they do a new version of American Psycho. I want to clear a definite answer. I Don't know.
Speaker 2:I. I think it's kind of cool that there isn't like yeah, I love the amp. Yeah, I love it being ambiguous, so it's like see after.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Now I'm about to like, try to give myself credit and like well, after watching thousands of movies, man my Decided that I don't like ambiguity at all. He has a brother. There's another book called the rules of attraction, which also was made into a movie, with James Vanderbeek playing the younger brother, sean Bateman, who actually he calls his brother, patrick, on the phone Because, like Patrick, is helping pay for his college or or gives him money while he's in school or something.
Speaker 1:But the rules of attraction is really fascinating because the younger brothers obsessed with a classmate and in his mind their friendship is much bigger of a relationship Then in reality it actually is. So when you watch the rules of attraction it would suggest that a lot of it is going on inside the character's head, which then, if you put that back to American Psycho, it would suggest that they're not, none of that is happening, that it is this that they both have, you know, some kind of biological mental issue, right when they, where they blow things out of proportion or hallucinate the truth or schizophrenic or something. But I guess I didn't answer the question whether or not I would want another American Psycho.
Speaker 2:I was wondering if that's where you. Because, like I mean, it's just when you do something really well, like there doesn't really need, in my opinion, to always be like a remake, you know. But I guess, if you are kind of exploring, I Just think, I think.
Speaker 1:I think Lionsgate is like looking at their catalog going what can we? What can we, you know, shuffle out to make some money because the, because of how popular true crime is, this is a genre right now, right, so they're just like what do we got?
Speaker 2:Does that really appeal to Like that, like I? Just I don't know, I don't get the whole thing with remakes always so, or reboots or whatever you want to call it. So I don't know I'm kind of on Do you know about the?
Speaker 1:do you know about Stephen King's Novel the dead zone? Or have you seen the Christopher Walken dead zone, or I don't think so.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, they even had Anthony Michael Hall was like an actor in the 80s in like pretty in pink and the breakfast club. I would see that you've seen the breakfast club probably a while. Yeah, yeah, he plays the nerdy one. Excuse me, um, I should turn the mic off for that one. Sorry folks, it'll surprise them, wake them up while they're doing laundry, while listening to this or whatever. And they did.
Speaker 1:It's a dead zone cable show and so the cable show obviously could expand on like chapter for you know, chapter for chapter of the novel, right, but the movie's pretty good. So, in the dead zone, because the main character is technically dead for a long period of time, he's just suddenly like tapped in to the, you know, to the supernatural, like with an antenna, like he's just kind of plugged into those things and he kind of like has like forethought now so he can see things as they're about to happen with other people and like One rule cool part is they're tracking a serial killer in the town he's in because somebody's there's like a serial killer, a local serial killer, and like that's like one of the best parts of the whole movie and the book. It was pretty, pretty scary in the book too, because it wasn't like. You know, stephen King usually has supernatural Monsters, but this was like a you know I Regular killer, stalking everybody and just a psychic. You know, the psychic could see it. The book gets kind of crazy, though, because it has like a. It talks about a president. It's gonna be like the anti Christ or whatever, like that's. The big thing about the book is like the world is spiling out of control and there's no way to peel it back because the Character gets convinced that he has to, like, assassinate this guy who's gonna get elected. So then it gets truly nuts. You know, you know what I mean, right, he goes to try to kill the guy or whatever. So, with the exception of that, it's pretty interesting story.
Speaker 1:So I would love to see like another, like legit adaptation of the dead zone, because I mean, christopher Walken Was that. I saw this movie and I was like, oh, it's like, he's like an anti hero, he's like a creepy main character, but you care anyway, you know what I mean. Like. So that might have been the first movie that I saw. I mean actually, yeah, so you know, has I was still in Jordan's catchphrase I'm here for, here for it. Anyway, I'd watch. I'd watch another dead zone, for sure. I I didn't really watch all, I haven't watched all the show. There's like four seasons or something, but and it came out. You remember when they were doing box sets for like every TV show? Yeah, like there was like when DVD was at its peak greatness and they're like get season three through five Limited edition DVD box. Now the crow reboot starring Bill Skarsgard is actually coming out much sooner than I thought. I didn't think it was coming out this year, but they might come out in June 2024, which is kind of nuts.
Speaker 1:What can I say about the crow? So it's a story about this character named Eric Draven and he and his girlfriend get killed. He comes back from the dead to get revenge and he's kind of like a lost soul who helps other people when things go wrong. I guess he's kind of like an undead character. I'm not really sure it's like. I think they're using I don't know whose myth they're expanding on. I don't know if they're expanding, I can't remember if it's Norwegian myth or Native American myth. It talks about the birds carrying your soul over Between worlds or whatever, and how, like birds, specifically crows, can communicate with the dead. Or though, like they're like messengers that carry the dead or something like that.
Speaker 1:But anyway, the crow is like an iconic 90s movie and Brandon Lee is the son of Bruce Lee, who died during an accident on the movie when a prop gun killed him with real ammo During the they were shooting the big finale in the movie, where there's a bunch of craziness going on, but it's a great movie. Brandon Lee was a pretty good actor, like he's. This movie called showdown in a little Tokyo with Dolph Lundgren there's like an action buddy cop comedy, which is like one of my weird favorite B movies and I. There's like four crow movies, but the only the first one is good. Well, actually well, crocity of Angels, which is like part two, is okay and it takes place like ten years after the other one. There's an orphan that he helps in the first movie and she's like the narrator in the second movie and she's like older you know, wow, I could ramble, I get. I need to like really enjoy it if I get too far if I go.
Speaker 1:She's like how?
Speaker 2:This is your show. I just live in it, okay.
Speaker 1:I remember one comments in the comment section. Somebody said, like look at the long suffering Jordan are. Like look at I'll, she's just trying to hold on and deal with this guy. There's actually an actress that looks like Jordan, millie Alcock, who was in. She's Australian but she was in House of the Dragon playing Renea, our Targaryen Another eyebrow power lady she got some good eyebrows on her. Yeah, you guys look very similar. I don't know if you ever told Pat like, hey, I look like I belong in House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2:What am I doing, trivia.
Speaker 1:Pats, her boy. We may. I don't know if we've brought him up on the show before, maybe I don't know, things slip in and out of the recordings, I can't keep track anymore. Anyway, she's gonna be super girl in a movie that's supposed to be called or currently slated to be called super girl Woman of tomorrow. Um, the original Supergirl movie from the 80s is pretty good. Ellen Slater and we talked about it I don't know so like nine episodes ago, 10 episodes ago, 12 maybe, who knows? All right, anyway, I could spend a whole other episode talking about the original Supergirl. Obviously we like it.
Speaker 1:It's in our blog, it's in an episode that we did, but we're finally gonna arrive to the movie that we. It's called Sightseers. There's a student named Chris and he wants to show his new girlfriend, tina, his love for RV camping. I'm not sure, anyway, but they're in the UK, so they call it Caravan. If you take a Caravan holiday and according to IMDb it takes a wrong turn. But it's funny about the IMDb listing it doesn't tell you that this movie is a thriller. It doesn't in that description. You don't know that people are gonna get killed and I just wrote down like what would be the lifetime movie version of the week would be like Murder Takes a Holiday would be like the tagline yeah, I have something to say about this movie, but do you have some savage stats on this one?
Speaker 2:I do. I had to get a little creative with them because there was not a lot of actual trivia or statistics about the movie. Of course, the movie was directed by Ben Wheatley but it was produced by Edgar Wright and they kind of do like a little nod to Edgar Wright. In the beginning of the movie. This tourist is eating a Cornetto, which is essentially like a crescent, and it's a pouring no, it's ice cream.
Speaker 1:ice cream, no, I looked it up. No, it's ice cream Cornetto.
Speaker 2:No, it's ice cream?
Speaker 1:No, it's ice cream? I don't think so. Do you know the drumsticks that we have over here? It's like their version of drumsticks.
Speaker 2:Oh, when he's on the tram and the guy like throws the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that guy the first victim.
Speaker 2:Well, I looked up what Cornetto means and that is not what showed up. But if you're nodding to the drumstick, I know exactly what you're talking about in the movie. I also had a drumstick the other day here, but it is referring to the Cornetto trilogy, right going back to Edgar Wright as the executive producer. He also directed a bunch of movies Shaun of the Dead, potfuzz and the World's End. So if you like any of those, I think that you this you know falls into a category, of course, of something that you would probably like. But since that was the only like actual statistic, I looked elsewhere to find some interesting things or fun things.
Speaker 2:Early in the film, when Tina is, her hair is being brushed by her mother Her mother's like obviously a little nutty. Right Tina is 34, 36, still living at home mom's brushing her hair. There is a cut to Tina with her mother visible behind her and although you can hear her talking, the mother's mouth is shut and out of sync or like out of sync. Audio or out of sync. Visuals are the trademark of the movies. Director Ben Wheatley, like his editing style, so I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:He plays with time right, so things don't happen is when you see them, or vice versa.
Speaker 2:Right, and like they kind of do another nod later. Well, and I'm sure it was like probably either intentional or some sort of goof is like there's boots on Chris and then there's not, and then there is and there's not.
Speaker 1:What's your thoughts on voiceover in general, Like when you hear narration or people talking off screen? Like just what's your personal preference in movies? Do you have a feeling?
Speaker 2:I think, like context matters, right, because I think it's like funny in this case, right, if it's like a short section, you know, or if it's like a nod or like this is his signature, it's a trademark, right, which I think that's kind of cool. I like certain types of productions that are supposed to have narrations, so I don't know movies that are narrated. Maybe it's not always like, maybe my top favorite, but I love voiceover.
Speaker 1:I usually get in trouble on film school because I wrote so much voiceover as like a device, as a storytelling device. They're like you know, don't rely on it, or whatever, and I'm like no, it's part of the intentional storytelling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think like context matters, right, like yeah, I guess so. Yeah, of course, this film had received several award nominations for outstanding debut by British writer, director or producer for its writers and lead actors Alice Lowe and Steve Orham, so did pretty well in terms of being recognized, which is awesome, but that's about it. That's all we got.
Speaker 1:Well, supposedly, if this blurb on all things Wikipedia is true, you never can tell it's Wikipedia. You sure can that they were doing a staged version of this. Then there was a short film and then the actress playing Tina you just said her name is Alison Lowe or Ally Lowe, alice Lowe, alice Lowe. She was supposedly in hot fuzz and had mentioned to Edgar Wright hey, this other story is floating out there and then he, as you said, he helped produce it or something.
Speaker 1:There's a great line at the very beginning of the movie, like you're watching the movie for eight minutes You're not sure where it's going. There's a lot of tension between the mom and daughter because she accidentally had killed the family dog, yeah, and she literally says that you know, mama was in accident. She goes so were you. And then the music starts and then the titles come up. You know what I mean. You're like oh, we're in for a ride. Yeah, yeah, it's time for favorite bits. I was going to say like, if you like taking rides and you love movies and you want to have a box of movies show up at your door, you can go to love. To get mediacom of horse binge these are code binge for like 15% off, and I don't know if they're still doing the giveaway or not, but the page says they are, so they must be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get a whole box of DVD. We were mentioning DVDs earlier. If you like physical media, it's like a Christmas present shows up once a month in your house full of movies. You can dissect it. You can figure genres comedy, horror, whatever. This movie's a little bit of both comedy and horror. And now on with favorite bits from sightseers. That was kind of a messy one. I just kind of shoved that one in there. It wasn't very natural at all, but I love that. As we said earlier, I'm under the weather and I'm just kind of like saying things.
Speaker 2:If he's in that day, quill night, quill tornado. Right now we're along for the ride. Well, and I'm actually not met with you.
Speaker 1:Right now, I'm just like I don't know. It goes in stages right, so I think like I should be full In a day or so. I think it should be gone, but this is like a three day adventure.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a joy Favorite bit. So I think some of my favorite bits had to do with Alice Lowe's character, tina, I think. Like just her relationship with everybody, like including her mother, and then of course her boyfriend Chris is just. It just cracks me up.
Speaker 1:How about the knitted lingerie?
Speaker 2:So funny. She's got like crocheted bra and like crotchless panties and all she wants is to like be loved by this man who's like totally into his caravan holiday and she just wants to spend time with him. And this is like kind of a classic story of like a girl and a guy and then the guy, like the girl, starts liking what the guy likes, but he doesn't really want her like approval in a sense.
Speaker 1:I don't know. That's kind of how I think. But they get jealous of everybody they encounter. That's why I said it's like a crime of passion. Yeah, they encounter these little people. They get jealous.
Speaker 2:Well, and for me it's like he's got this hobby, which is killing people, right and she, like, starts getting into his hobby.
Speaker 1:I thought his hobby was like he likes to go see like monuments or like historical places, and when the people interrupt his understanding of the historical events and places, it interrupts the vibe and so then he has to correct it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's his hobby. And then. So she starts liking his hobby and then he doesn't like he doesn't want her approval, he wants approval of other people. He's seeking approval from elsewhere. And so then when she likes his hobby, he thinks that she's a nutcase, right, or like what did he call her? He's like I don't know, she's just like. They're both so unhinged she thinks it's hilarious to me so it just cracks me up. I love how she starts calling the dog that they steal His name is Banjo and then she starts becoming so unhinged that she's just referring, like his name, as Poppy, which is a dog that she absolutely loves.
Speaker 2:That is such a funny concept to me of like now she's calling.
Speaker 1:She's like they have to read their camper and they steal a dog and they don't like their own lives, so they adopt elements. So he's like the main character encounters a victim who says he's writing a book and then all of a sudden the main character's like well, I'm writing a book. You know what, though? Spoiler alert, they use the landmarks, the landscape, as the murder weapons, which is kind of like an interesting idea.
Speaker 1:I was trying to sit here and think is there another movie that I can think of that uses the landscape as the murder weapon? And I can't think of anything, because I went back at the end of the movie. I was like thinking back about all the, with the exception of the accidental manslaughter which happens. Well, no, there's one intentional manslaughter on the highway, but then before that, the first death in the movie, going back to the treat that Jordan was mentioning, because the guy was eating it on the tram and then littered and the guy couldn't handle the fact that the other guy littered, and then he backs up into the guy right, and they get away with it as like manslaughter. Besides that one, every single death in the movie is out of the landscape.
Speaker 1:Either being thrown off rocks or with rocks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with rocks he uses a rock as a weapon. But yeah, it all can be kind of like if they're coming to the crime scene they could easily be accidents ruled out as accidents.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks like accidents, except you think you would start to see reports of countryside murder. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Well, I think it does evolve too, because you hear it in the background, right, like the story is being reported on and first it's like, oh, this guy was found. And then it's like, ok, it could have been an accident. And then they're like, ok, he probably did it himself and is ruled as that. He did it himself because of the mounting pressure. And then, I think, as it gets along, then it's like a ginger guy and this girl are responsible, and then they decide to torch everything, let the dog run away and call it quits. But yeah, it's a wild ride for sure.
Speaker 2:Their interaction was my favorite bit. It's just cause it's like she's so unhinged with her mother and him, and then he's unhinged with like every person he interacts with, right, like you mentioned, taking personality traits from every person he comes across. I would say the most favorite part is when, though, tina gets the camera that Chris stole from Ian, the like other hiker, and then Tina's going through the old photos, and then she sees pictures of Ian's wife out there, and Tina immediately assumes that Chris, instead of stealing and killing Ian, that it was his camera and that he had an affair with Janice and Ian.
Speaker 2:That was hilarious. That was so good.
Speaker 1:Although it's implied that he hooked up with the guy who was trying to invent the mini caravan or like the bicycle caravan, pull along caravan. Cause, like it cuts to. He was like I forget what separated them, like she drove away angry or went back to the camper and he was working with the guy to try to start a business with his little mini caravan, biker cabin thing and bicycle attache or whatever, which looks like the thing if you have babies, where they put you in a canopy and you pull along your bicycle, like in real life they have that. If you have like little kids, you know this little tent thing that you attache, yeah.
Speaker 1:But then cause, at one point Chris is rushing to an outdoor shower and then he doesn't want to have sex with Tina later and then he feels guilty and then he's actually inviting that dude I don't remember the bicycle person's name who seems eccentric, little fun boy. And then he's like the Chris character says he doesn't mind if they're oh Martin, he doesn't mind if his friend Martin gets invited into their sex life later, you know what I mean. And then he's in his little bicycle canopy and she pushes him off the cliff spoiler alert. But the end is the most shocking thing to me is like the twist at the end and I don't know. I mean, you tell me, do you want to spoil it or do you?
Speaker 2:want to leave it off the table, I think you should spoil it.
Speaker 1:So apparently this whole time it's kind of suggests that Chris was planning to kill himself after his killing spree. He was gonna kill himself with his girlfriend to beat, like he had a little notebook or whatever. So his fantasy was to go out after he visited all these landmarks. That's what his road trip was about like visiting all these last things he wants to see in his last run.
Speaker 1:And so they climb this giant bridge or something and then they're gonna jump off and he jumps and she doesn't jump and I'm like whoa. So like it's like a final twist, because you kind of go along with the fact that, like again I got back to that idea where they frame like a couple of murderers as like crime of passion murderers cause like in real life too, like if they get jumps from other people. That's like a victim. But there's like a famous, like highway couple we're even getting confused with another movie but like how they operate when, like when they're like together in this like couple killers. But the thing is that's the shocking part it's like it doesn't go along with it.
Speaker 1:So then it kind of reframes like the whole movie, Like what was she like? Yeah, because that part makes you want to go back and like think about the whole movie that got you there, because why did she decided the last second not to go off the bridge with him? You know.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think she kind of says it when she's on the phone with her mom and she's like she, you know she's kind of innocent, oh like or like a true like or like a true passion killer.
Speaker 1:She's angry that she didn't the one place she wanted to go to. He didn't go with her. You know what I mean? Like she went to the pencil museum and that's the only thing that she contributed for the whole trip that she wanted to see, and he doesn't go and spends time with that guy, Martin, instead.
Speaker 2:And it's also another funny bit when she's like trying to write a note to him with the mask.
Speaker 1:The giant pencil yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, so good yeah so wait.
Speaker 1:So why do you think she doesn't jump?
Speaker 2:off with him. Well, she kind of says it on the phone with her mom. She goes like she essentially is talking about how she like wants to come home and her mom, being kind of the nutter that she is, is now like she's getting the satisfaction that her daughter needs her.
Speaker 1:And her mom's not giving it to her.
Speaker 2:She's miserable right. And so what she, what she's saying to her mom is like, like I did stuff and her mom's like trying to poke at it a little bit and she's like is it sex stuff or is it something else? She's like yeah, and something else. And she's like I just did what I thought he wanted me to do. You know, like I'm just doing what he thought. You know I thought he wanted me to do, essentially to be liked by him, you know. So she was just taking on the.
Speaker 1:I mean this is like kind of happens and like in toxic dating or whatever, like somebody takes on the traits of the other person or whatever.
Speaker 2:Right. So I think she just kind of lets them have it there at the end. You know she's probably sick of them. After he, like, turned her over to Martin, he wanted to be more in a relationship with Martin than her, yeah, so she sent Martin on his way.
Speaker 1:And he also kind of like. I mean he kind of cheated on her, I mean he made out with the the bachelorette party he made out with the bachelorette, right, and then that's like her first murder, right, where she throws her off the bridge at that location, like again, lots of bridges, guys, bridges over rocky pathways when does it rank? Yeah, when does it rank. So I'll let Jordan describe how we rank things on this show.
Speaker 2:Yes, we love our ratings here. So there's binge now, which means added to the top of your list. Don't stop, just put it on there and watch it tonight. You got binge later, which is added to the list, but you know you'll get around to it eventually. You got some other things to get through first and you've got binge never, which means you wasted some time. I even stand corrected because we said a binge never the other day that I stand behind, but binge never is. You can't get your time back, don't watch it, and those are the ratings. But for me this was a binge now.
Speaker 2:I actually thought it was really hilarious. I loved the dry humor. I just thought it was like really well curated between, like the dry humor, like then being a little unhinged and kind of awkward and quirky, and it just worked really well. So it was funny and really dark, you know, all at the same time, and I think that's a really hard balance to have to write that line between humor and it being scary. You know, yeah, so that's how I'd rate it. How about you?
Speaker 1:It was a binge later for me and remains a binge later for me, like it was something that I had known about and had planned to get around to, but just never got around to it. And then we got around to it.
Speaker 1:So that's it. It's just a binge later. For me it's worth watching, but it's not the movie that I'm most excited to see, or salivating over, or it doesn't really get my bloodlust up. You know, for this type of movie Fan service, what are the fans doing? Are they chiming in this one's kind of funny Doink? Daddy on TikTok said "'My mom used to save the skins from the potatoes "'and peeled them and baked them in the oven until crispy. "'they were so good' I love potatoes". He's replying to our truth. They love Street Smart episode where Jordan was talking about fried chicken skins as a snack of choice and then we envisioned yeah, we're talking about skins.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, skins. We envisioned a whole food truck of just specialized skins.
Speaker 1:So if you haven't heard that one. Go back and check that one out. We were talking about the Street Smart movie and talking about Lox's fried skins, anyway. But I kind of swore that Doink Daddy had changed his name, like when I read that comment a few days ago I thought it said Donut Daddy, like Dunkin' Daddy, like Dunkin' Donuts, implying he was somewhere on the East Coast and tuned in. And then he changed the Doink Daddy, which is clearly, like I don't know, sounds like a gay club reference. Doink Daddy, you know, yeah, but whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for commenting. Doink Daddy yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly who knows what he's Doinking.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know why. I said it was gay. Who knows, that's what it sounds like, though, like a, a cub and bear only fans account, or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all lifestyles are acceptable. I'm not making fun of anybody, I'm just saying you know, anyway, you watched anything else. That's not the movie the week that you want to recommend to the audience. Have you watched anything else?
Speaker 2:We watched 1408, which was pretty good for its time. I would say I was shocked. Wait, no, is that?
Speaker 1:the Christopher.
Speaker 2:Columbus movie.
Speaker 1:No, it's a movie about like a, like a haunted hotel room, that's 1492, which is like wasn't a historical drama but would not be considered fantasy because of the all the myths about Christopher Columbus that have come out in the last 10 years.
Speaker 2:Let me pull it off 1408 is the one where the author.
Speaker 1:That's the other Stephen King movie. The book writer who investigates haunted places like haunted hotels, get stuck in a hotel room right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's kind of very what's his name John Cusack. Yep, and you got Samuel Jackson in there as well as, like the hotel manager. So or ghost. Why didn't think about? That but probably could be a ghost.
Speaker 1:The gateway ghost Cause. That movie also implies that he's stuck in the hotel and has always been in the hotel, right Like he was dead for a while.
Speaker 2:I don't know if the hotel is haunted more of just the room is what they tried to. At least that's what I took away from it.
Speaker 1:So Okay, it's been a while since I saw it, but what's implied to me is they were kind of riffing off of the other hotel story that Stephen King is famous for the hell is it called? They made a movie. Stanley Kubrick made a movie, jack Nicholson's in it. Oh the shining. I'm like how am I gonna? If I fuck this up, people are gonna be so angry with me Anyway. So funny.
Speaker 1:And the shining implies that the character, the writer character in there was always there, or it's like a endless loop where he's reincarnated and gets cursed and is stuck in the hotel over and over again.
Speaker 2:Well, in like you nailed it, there's a lot of shining references and this does kind of have like an endless loop. Essentially, you can't ever get out of the hotel room.
Speaker 1:It's possible that the John Q Sat character from my perspective was the victim in that room, like 30 or 40 years before. Like the hotel is real, the place is real, but he's already dead and he's just there. Like there was that crazy movie where Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't realize that he's an immense institution. He thinks he's investigating a case because he was a federal agent?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Shutter.
Speaker 1:Island. So in real life. Before he had a nervous breakdown he was a federal agent and then the way his mind has broken, he thinks he's investigating a case at a facility.
Speaker 2:Shutter Island.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the big spoiler on that one is no dude, you're a patient here. You've been a patient here for 10 years or whatever. So this movie that you're talking about that's what it is. It's like a ghost that doesn't realize he's been the ghost the whole time, kind of thing, maybe.
Speaker 2:I can't really remember how it ends, even though I just watched it like two days ago, and so it's like possible there's a cliffhanger like that that just makes him feel like he's just back in the room. But yeah, it was good, it was worth a watch. We had to do some sort of subscription to Peep it, but yeah, watch that, that was good. What about you?
Speaker 1:No, I was just sitting here thinking if I had to clarify my Doink Daddy comments.
Speaker 2:Doink Daddy turn up. Turn up for Doink Daddy, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's how my ego works. I don't care who you are, if you hit on me, I'm gonna love it. So I don't know if I said earlier if it came off like a hate message or something. So I was like, oh, I need to clarify what I said because it could be misread and taken out of context, because it is a podcast right, which is funny, because Shane Ellis told a joke that they said it was offensive to Asian people and they canceled him from joining the SNL cast.
Speaker 2:And then they just had to be hosts.
Speaker 1:He just hosts in Saturday Night Live to capitalize or have the show make money off of the fact of the controversy. However, the band did not laugh at any of his standup jokes in the beginning of the episode 21 Savage, it was almost like dude, it was almost like well, I didn't. Actually I don't know who he is, so I fast, I used fast forward, I didn't watch any of his musical performances. Why did he also give Shane Gillis the cold shoulder?
Speaker 2:There was some sort of like initial comment in the monologue that Shane Gillis made like a funny joke thing, but I didn't watch the monologue. I didn't. I haven't watched it yet, so I don't know. I can all watch it and I'll give you some feedback, but I just think that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:His jokes were killing it in the monologue but Shane Gillis in real time acknowledged that his jokes weren't hitting with the crowd or the band, like he was addressing the fact that like. Well, I thought that was really funny. I'm surprised nobody, you know, like.
Speaker 2:Sounds like Shane Gillis, though. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was almost like the band intentionally didn't laugh, like they made it a point to like protest his presence Interesting. What I really thought was like this long game that Lorne Michaels might be playing from a political standpoint, where he's like, okay, there's no, I don't know, lorne Michaels, there's no way for me to know, but it would be interesting. Could you imagine, like bringing somebody on your show just to publicly crucify them? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like it was like yeah, but Shane Gillis wins at the end of the day because it makes way more money than anybody on SNL. So it's like yeah, so it's like. Why would that joke-? So what's interesting about?
Speaker 1:Saturday Night Live. It doesn't have a central figure, like it doesn't have like a Will Ferrell or Molly Shannon, or like a Chris Farley or an Adam Sandler. Like the last few seasons they haven't had anything that draws everybody together. They had these three guys that, like two of them were related to people that worked on the crew Like one was the son of a writer and one was the son of a cameraman. Please don't destroy it. Are there these kids that make these video sketches? They've just made a movie for NBC Peacock, which is the parent company of Saturday Night Live. The movie bombed. They have not been on Saturday Night Live with their video sketches for like the last three or four episodes and there's been like no official announcement of like where their sketches at. Do you remember when Lonely Island made like the little videos on Saturday Night Live? Like all?
Speaker 2:the-. Like the music videos Like Dick in the Box. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Dick in the Box, and that's Adam. What's his name? And his friends? I can't remember. But they also made a Jack. Sparrow pirate song with Michael Bolton Incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that one with ACON. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Is that the on a?
Speaker 2:boat.
Speaker 1:Like we're on a boat, that's-.
Speaker 2:No, I just had sex. But I think that could have been like an official music video, like not an SNL related skit.
Speaker 1:Another one is the boss, one Like-. There's one where he's like I'm the boss, or the other one. There's another one Mary dude, that one's pretty good. Um, there's one where they poop their pants or something Like they're going to hit the town but they poop themselves Like again, it's lonely island comedy.
Speaker 2:Yeah you got to take it yeah exactly?
Speaker 1:Um, what was the point? Oh, it's weird that those guys are making videos on there all of a sudden. It's also weird, like I mean, that's what that show needs. Like, if you don't have like three or four cast members that are like really gelling with all their characters, you know, like coming together like Chris Farley and David Spade, like in these little duos, that's hard to keep the central cast connected. Um, I'm trying to think who's been the funniest on there in recent memory. I don't know, I'm kind of tuned out from it. Uh dang, I missed my chance earlier in the episode. I was going to make a Pedro Pascal joke because you were talking about how, like I'm kind of adamant because of cold medicine. I was going to say like Pedro was out of it at that award show I was talking about because he said he got on the stage. He's like I'm a little drunk. I wasn't expecting to win at the war. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:I love that. He's just such a vibe, though, like he is.
Speaker 1:I just literally laughed my headphones off. What did you say?
Speaker 2:I said I love that though he's such a vibe.
Speaker 1:Oh, pedro Pascal, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, dang, yeah, doing good stuff.
Speaker 2:If Daddy Doink is an is the noun, weight or adjective, maybe I guess that's how you would. You know you could. That could be the name of somebody right Like Pedro.
Speaker 1:It sounds sexual, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, doink, daddy, doink is a sex thing, or like like Pedro Pascal is called a Zaddy all the time, like he'd be called a Doink Daddy. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyways. That's it. Did you watch anything other than your award shows?
Speaker 1:In my dreams about Antarctica. Yeah, Secret military conspiracy basis. Uh, I watched lots of things but, they're kind of all running together.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because uh.
Speaker 2:It's the weird thing about being sick Because the weekend I had yeah, yeah. Um it's like time is not real.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's the thing man Like um having indigenous blood, like I'm happy that an indigenous actor is getting like all all recognized Like um. Their name is Lily Gladstone. She's in the Killers of the Flower Moon story, which is kind of nuts Like. I guess like the Osage were a tribe that was doing kind of well because they had like an oil boom on their land and then slowly, like, slowly, like um, people took it away from them and there was, there was like a series of murders where like 40 people died and there was like no investigation until they lobbied the federal government to come in with like the early FBI and figure out like why are people's houses getting blown up? And like what's going on? Who's killing the tribe? For their oil money or whatever. And so the movie I don't know if you've seen the movie, but it's like the one with it's uh, scorsese and he has like the Nero in it, of course, and um, leo Nardo de Caprio, cause the center of a story is a husband and wife. Like the wife is a Osage community member, who's like a community tribal leader, one of the well, well off to do families central figure, and it's like her sisters are being killed. Do you know what I mean. Like her sisters and cousins are being killed and and then her husband's like at the crux of, like he's one of the guys doing all the shit, oh, wow, and there was like an actual trial. So it's like, you know, pretty intense, um, but uh, and the and the crazy part is like with how crazy relationships are like they were in love right, almost right till the end, I guess, right up until the trial or whatever, but then, like one of their kids still talked to the dad when he was like locked up afterwards. You know what I mean, yeah, but it's like anyway. So she's winning awards. Like she won the SAG award. She might win an Oscar. Her high school yearbook says most likely to win an Oscar, which is kind of crazy, and she seems like a really good shit. Like she deserves to have more acting roles. Like she's really good.
Speaker 1:The movie very bloated way too long. Like why don't you have an editor? Martin Scorsese is like again one of these directors like Ridley Scott who's like starting to believe the stories they tell about them as filmmakers and so they're no longer making critical decisions with their movies. Like, scorsese, like your remake of the departed was awesome. Good fellas, fucking overrated dude, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But now, with Killers of the Flower Moon at three and a half hours, four hours, what the hell it is on Apple TV? Like you have 90 minutes of story and then, like in the third act to wrap up, you know how, like in true, true story movies, they always give like little, like oh, then this character went on to open a business, this character went on to do this. Like this character, blah, blah, blah. They kind of do that. But it's like a radio play, like if there was a 1940s news radio program and that probably happened. Like they were, you know, retelling the news of the day and acting it out on radio. So Martin Scorsese himself comes out as one of the radio performers and is telling you what happened to the characters during this radio play. And I'm like well, this made the movie 25 minutes longer than it had to be. Just the radio play part of like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, too long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, too long, dude, way too damn long. And like, even though I'm praising her performance, like at one point the movie like leaves her character while the character is sick for any or an exuberant amount of time, like the whole time the investigation with the FBI is happening we should? It's like she's left second bed and then we're gone for like a half hour. You know what I mean. I'm like, oh, dude, she's like the main character. Anyway, man, I don't know, I don't get it sometimes.
Speaker 1:Like I love that they're honoring Pedro Pascal, I love that they're honoring Lily Gladstone because, like I said, she seems like a good person and she's a fairly decent actor from the one thing I've seen her in. But you know, it's like the good fellas thing I've been waiting to use. I've had that loaded in my criticism gun and I haven't had a place to throw it out. But now, having sat through this super bloated movie, I just thought I would kick it out. Jordan's reaction I don't know if you're watching it, but clearly she's like oh she, she knows that I just rolled over like 30,000 fanboys in their graves because they're going to be Superman. Because, you know, good fellas is on like what? American Film Institute's top 100 list or it's on like every fanboys or every like machismo. Average American male, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm still with you, though. I think there can still be a too long, too long and still be a good movie. You know, it's like that's the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't wait for the comment on this podcast. This, this, this thing that you're doing is too long.
Speaker 2:This podcast was 54 minutes too long.
Speaker 1:Soon. As you said that about good fellas, I tuned you out. Yeah, I was there for doing daddy, I was there for nearly but left.
Speaker 1:As soon as I said, as soon as you said the good fellas wasn't good enough. But there were no good fellas, dog, yeah, dad, whatever. I like Copland with Ray Leota. If you want to like, watch Ray Leota as a strung out drug addict. I think he does a better job in Copland than good fellas. The whole thing about good fellas is he rolls over on the other mobsters and testifies against him because he gets strung out, then he gets arrested and then he testifies. That's the whole deal, anyway.