From Giant Women to Galactic Bounty Hunters and Genie Nightmares

Ever wondered what happens when classic cinema gets a modern twist? Our latest episode peeks behind the curtain of Tim Burton and Gillian Flynn's reimagination of "Attack of the 50-Foot Woman," exploring the depths of womanly wrath and current power dynamics. We kick things off with a chuckle, contemplating the hilariously unintended consequences of our deepest desires—yes, even that cheeseburger comes with a side of irony. And while we're at it, we tip our hats to the comedic prowess of Sacha Baron Cohen, whose characters continue to surprise us despite his fame.

From there, we switch gears to honor the legendary Carl Weathers, taking you through his journey from the boxing ring right up to the stars in "The Mandalorian." Horror aficionados, fasten your seat belts as we dissect the spine-chilling '90s classic "Wishmaster," with its blend of stunning and cringe-worthy special effects. The Djinn's transformation is on the chopping block as we rate the effects and draw parallels to a certain Dragon Ball Z figure. And for those horror cameo enthusiasts, we've got your fix with appearances from horror greats like Robert Englund and Tony Todd.

But wait, there's more! As we look back fondly at "Starman," we also gear up for the upcoming season of 'True Detective' with eager anticipation. We're not just about reminiscing, though; we're here setting the rules of engagement for movie-watching. No spoilers, no incessant questioning—just the pure, thrilling ecstasy of cinematic discovery. Join us as we celebrate the stories that shaped our past and tease those that promise to captivate our future.

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Speaker 1: 0:02

I Wow, why we will? That's what some dude, some comedian, says on his travel adventure show. I Didn't think I was gonna reference. It came out automatically. You stumbled into a show. It's called the binge watchers podcast. My name is John, but they call me Johnny's spoiler because I often spoil the movies that I love, or sometimes it coincides with the movies that we're talking about. Jordan just told me this was a fun one tonight.

Speaker 1: 0:29

The tagline for tonight's movie is be careful what you wish for go figure and I was gonna do some research and see like, oh, what are people wishing for? Blah, blah, blah and of course people are boring, they wish for the same things all the time. I thought I would find like some crazy wish like, oh, I wish fish could fly or something you know, or like that we could instantly travel to outer space, or you know that my cat to talk or something?

Speaker 1: 0:53

Yeah, we could we could, we could really understand our animals or whatever. Now it's just health, wealth and happiness, and if you're a fan of American movies, then that gets translated into sex, money and power. There you go. But then I realized I actually don't care what, what, what people wish for. I don't think I like them enough to care. You know, I like I was like, you know, be nice enough to be bothered, like imagine that, like Wishing for not to be bothered, or a cheeseburger, but the cheeseburgers never as good as you think. It is like your brain is like wired to think that, yeah, man, this cheeseburger is gonna be awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:36

But that's the moral of the story is be careful what you wish for it to not be bothered. Then you get turned into being invisible. You ask for a burger. It's an impossible burger. So, like you, just you have to be careful with what you wish for.

Speaker 1: 1:52

Somebody's probably wishing that this podcast was better. Can't help you.

Speaker 2: 1:56

Sorry, okay, crack open a cold box of wine or pour something cold on ice, because it's the binge watches podcast.

Speaker 1: 2:28

You Know what the wawa we always Sasha Ben Cohen when he plays Borat. I couldn't think it was the name of his character in the beginning, when I was doing the wawa, we were noise.

Speaker 2: 2:48

It's funny because that's like definitely not the first quote that, like, most people think of when they think of that role.

Speaker 1: 2:54

You know, like, really, Sound effects that he makes all the time. Okay, that's make sense. There was like a 10-year run where everybody on the street was like quoting that dude, you know.

Speaker 2: 3:11

I know yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:12

You had a good run he did. I saw him on our recent interview, like I think was the Hollywood reporter. I don't know if you, I don't know if you've ever seen their channel, but like they get like roundtables of actors and directors together and stuff, hmm, especially during like a round award season, but anyway, he was on one which him carry to. Yeah, they were in the same Panel but he's like talking about how like his whole thing was like showing up in places they didn't know he was a comedian or they didn't know who he was, but some of his shows got such notoriety that he can no longer do like the prank first or drop his characters into like environments with real people.

Speaker 2: 3:44

Right, Well, that was like a stick, was like kind of getting that comedy, you know, in real life. So it makes sense.

Speaker 1: 3:55

Let's go, let's see what's going on in the world of movies and TVs and home videos and streamers and all that good stuff and home video headlines, tim Burton and the gong girl writer, who I, I don't know her is her name Jillian Flynn or Gillian Flynn, who the hell knows Gone girls good though, I don't know. Do you ever see that where the wife disappears, yeah, they blame the husband and it's almost like that Scott Peterson, lacey Peterson story, like it feels, like it's ripped from the headlines, but then, like You're just watching, like aggro Ben Affleck trying to convince the whole country that he didn't kill his wife, and then like meanwhile she's manipulating them from like two states away. What are you doing? That's a good movie to you, I'm. You know good, we'll get to that eventually, maybe, but so apparently that writer.

Speaker 1: 4:42

And then Tim Burton, they're gonna do a remake of the 1958 sci-fi movie, attack of the 50-foot woman, which is actually a classic B movie. I don't remember why she's grown to 60 feet tall, but I remember they did that thing where they just made her look big and she could smash things like cars and buildings and people. Hmm, I don't know, who knows sounds interesting I.

Speaker 1: 5:08

Mean From an emotional level woman scorn that's a phrase too right. What do they say? Nothing like a woman scorned or something like that. Yeah, something anyway. So it could be fun. Could be fun, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1: 5:24

He's some Saturn news, lost Carl Weathers, or you might know as Apollo Creed from the Rocky movies, or Dylan from the original Predator, or Chubs Peterson, the local golf club pro in Happy Gilmore. Oh, more recently you might have seen him as grief cargo and then Mandalorian series. He plays like a senator in outer space. I don't know, I'd like the space colony that Mandalorian's helping on this little planet Seem like a cool dude. You've got like 40 years of movies to look at him. And Also he played for the Raiders. He was like a football player, originally a bad boy when the Raiders were really bad and notorious. You know what else is going on. That's about it.

Speaker 1: 6:11

Tonight's movie is called wish master. It's about an evil creature who's released after being in prison for centuries and he tries to steal the soul of the scientists who let him out and then awaken all the other little evil creatures. They're called Jen. They're learning the fact that genies or Jen is. They're really known in Eastern philosophy and Eastern mythology, but this movie supposes that they're all bad and your wishes are like I'm not a Booby trapped like the come back to get you. Do you have some savage stats about this Crazy 90s horror movie called wish master?

Speaker 2: 6:52

I do, okay, so let's see where I want to start. I tried to get a little creative with it tonight, so bear with me and I'm going to start with the movies from the movie. They're named Finney, beaumont, derlith and Marit. They're all actually references to early 20th century science fiction and horror writers, which is pretty cool Jack Finney, charles Beaumont, august Derlith and Abraham Marit. Or a merit Jack Finney is, I'm writing the body snatchers and time again, of course, the film invasion of body snatchers is what was based off of the book, or you know, you know thing of writing that he did. So that's cool.

Speaker 1: 7:45

Invasion of the body snatchers has come up on the podcast like three times in recent memory. The last couple of years that it's stocky, like suggesting that we should get to it, which is funny because he was the other that's on the podcast and we're in the middle of the day.

Speaker 2: 8:08

So, Master, I've talked about this movie on the pod before, but I don't think we've ever given it like center attention like this. Yeah, maybe it's. Maybe it's a. Make it it to the top of the list here. And then Charles Beaumont. He is a writer of a lot of classic episodes of the Twilight August Dereleth. He made major contributions to. You all have to. I, of course, had to look up the pronunciation for this, and now, as I'm taking a look at the word Cthulhu, Cthulhu mythos.

Speaker 1: 8:41

Oh yeah, Cthulhu is a giant octopus that floats around outer space.

Speaker 2: 8:45

So August Dereleth had made some major contributions to the mythos of Cthulhu, and then A Merritt is apparently this like massive horror writer. I mean, he was essentially inducted into the 1999 science fiction and fantasy hall of fame. There was, like this massive list of things that he had done. So feel free to check it out yourself, because I could spend literally the next 40 minutes talking about all of the stuff he wrote. So he's just a bit Keep it trucking, keep it moving.

Speaker 1: 9:18

Don't put us to sleep with some book catalog. This isn't called book readers. Eh, okay, this isn't the book readers podcast. Jordan. What are words? What is the English alphabet?

Speaker 2: 9:30

Snorfest. Okay, I figured you were gonna talk a little bit about gin folklore.

Speaker 1: 9:37

Oh, you thought I was gonna talk about them. Damn genies, huh.

Speaker 2: 9:39

Just because you're always.

Speaker 1: 9:41

you're kind of like the mythology guy, but Well, only to say, like this movie makes them evil, but we know that the remake of Flash of the Titans suggested they're anti-heroes or in misunderstood right, because they have a gin in that movie that helps them out.

Speaker 2: 9:56

Yes.

Speaker 1: 9:57

The blue fire angle is cool. I don't know if that's in your stats. Probably is, Is it?

Speaker 2: 10:02

Yeah, so they're actually born of flame and have eyes that glow blue because they come from the heart of flame the blue and the super hot flames burn blue or whatever Right. So Andrew DeKov's dark brown eyes are touched up in the film to cast that blue light around it, to essentially oh you know why.

Speaker 1: 10:22

I'm not talking about gins. Why? It's because of this movie, because this movie makes me not trust them. Why, like now, I'm biased against the genies. They're like hey, rub my lamp. Here's three wishes, bro. I'm not wishing three times. No, thank you. You're gonna make my skeleton jump out of my body. No, thanks.

Speaker 2: 10:41

Literally yeah. So that's essentially why they do. The blue is just to reference that. The gen is taking his form when he's human. But it took them or him, three and a half hours to get into costume and then an hour and a half to get out, when he is essentially dressed up as the gen in its natural form. But those were some of his most favorite scenes to film with all of the rest of his monstrous brethren, and I mean that's pretty much it. There was a pretty cool quote just about how it was a pretty short schedule. They had to deliver the film in pretty much six months to start. They shot it in 33 days in LA, which was pretty tough, and they had dozens of different locations all around the city. So I think that's pretty sweet. That's like in no time, you know, shooting in 33 days. That seems like a pretty quick turn. So that's it for Savage Sets. Holy crap.

Speaker 1: 11:43

I thought you were going to mention that like all the horror movie cameos because Robert Englund's there who plays Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 2: 11:51

You got Angus Scrim from Phantasm, tony Todd from Night of the Living Dead. Candyman, you got Kane Hodder from Various Friday to the 16th.

Speaker 1: 12:02

Like Jason in like four of the movies.

Speaker 2: 12:04

yeah, you got Reggie Bannister and then Ted Riamie from Farthing.

Speaker 1: 12:09

Although the movie does, except for Robert Englund, who's playing like the I don't know rich art collector who kicks off the story, like Kane Hodder just plays a security guard that gets turned to glass. He gets pushed into the glass door and then shattered. So they're all horror movie stars, but they're kind of like one and done. You know what I mean. Their cameos are quick and short because they're victims in this one. Yeah, it was cool to see the dude from Phantasm because he actually he was the guy that played the um, the pharmacist who, who the the bum wishes that he has cancer and dies or whatever, and it's like instant cancer and the gen kills him. Yeah, that was a cool cameo. That's a rare cameo too, because you have to be like a like a horror movie super fan to pull him out, because he's like a B movie or C level, like he's literally only known from Phantasm, which is about these I don't know, an interdimensional boogeyman who attacks people with these floating balls that have metal there's. They're like metal orbs that fly through the air and then they open up like these little um Razors or whatever come out of them. And his character in that movie, the guy you were talking about. He's an ice cream man who helps two brothers who encounter the boogeyman, and their kind of lives are intertwined with, like the activities of this, the tall man. He's called the tall man and there's like four or five movies or something and he plays and resuit the ice cream man. Yeah, he's like a hero in that he has a good.

Speaker 1: 13:50

Anyway, like you said earlier, you could just talk about horror books all day. I was like we could talk about phantasm all night. Freak, where are we? Oh, okay, if you love movies as much as we do, then you can order a whole box of them from love the good mediacom by going to love the good mediacom forward slash binge. You can support the podcast by supporting our affiliate and trying out their movie boxes with our bargain bin or their on demand movies that they sell. And if you're more of a video game fan, guess what you can get video games there. Or you can get even records, vinyl records, dude Do that and doodums and whatever else you are, and jeans if you're out there, jeans, you gotta fulfill some wishes. Maybe order up some movies. All right, now back to the podcast already in progress. I really kind of did like a very subtle slip in there. Favorite bits from Wishmaster Do you have some Jordan? I do.

Speaker 1: 14:44

I would say- First of all, could you share your excitement for the movie selection of the week I?

Speaker 2: 14:49

was excited, I don't know, off of the poster. I was like, oh, this is gonna be good. And I read the synopsis and I was like, okay, this is like right up my alley and I think that's kind of a little bit of my favorite part is like it's just such that late 90s vibe, especially with the effects. You kind of get a mix of both like really good physical effects with really bad effects and it just like it's such a timepiece, like one of the physical effects that I thought was really good. You mentioned the pharmacist. He essentially gets like immediate cancer and dies. Like his face is like kind of all like pussy and disgusting and it's got like these tumors.

Speaker 2: 15:30

Another one of my favorite bits is when, essentially, what's his name? The gin, you know he's in his human form and he goes to the police station to find information about Alex and he essentially is there to try to figure out where she lives, and so he gets one of the officers to be able to make a wish that the officer could essentially put this criminal who's in the station away for good. And of course the criminal just like creates a massive scene shooting people within the police station and he like somehow rips somebody's jaw off Like one of the police officers and like that physical effect in my opinion was like really good. But then you're also mixed with, like the not so great, like you mentioned, the security guard who gets like kind of put into the glass.

Speaker 1: 16:26

Yeah, when they turn the cane harder in the glass and then it's like and the glass like shatters and it's like, yeah, but it's like a full 2D perspective of glass.

Speaker 1: 16:36

So you don't believe that's real. The watery effects are all right. They had some T2 style like watery dimensional transition effects. When you go into the Jins world inside the gem he's trapped in, they make everything waiver, like the screen ripples. And they had the. I mean you gotta say like the movie has a killer opening because there's like bloody mayhem the very beginning of the movie with a body count that's like 25. Right, and the first like five minutes of the movie because the Jins unleashed in like the middle ages and then like it's the dude the local sorcerer's job to like oh, I gotta fix the kingdom real quick. Guys, come on with solution here. Is he really good at this, buddy?

Speaker 2: 17:16

Well, and they like tie that back with the party at the very end. It's almost like the exact same scene of like you have these like monstrous. He called a monstrous brethren, you know, they're like coming through and there's like weird tentacles and stuff coming out from everywhere. And yeah, it was.

Speaker 1: 17:32

It gets a little bit of hellraiser in the modern party, like the piano wires.

Speaker 2: 17:37

Very hellraiser-y yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:39

At least one of the special effects guys, who's also, I guess, the director of the movie, robert Kurtzman, cause he has that company with Greg Nicotero. Now I think KNB or whatever KNG or whatever he like was killed by the piano wire, and then he might have been one of the SWAT guys too. I'm not sure, but he, like the director, had a couple of cameos in the movie.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Do you have any other favorite bits? Those are perfect. I wrote down like tons of stuff so I could just like rip off and be in a little bit.

Speaker 1: 18:13

Well, I wrote down, like I loved in the beginning the when the skeleton I mentioned it earlier like when the skeleton gets ripped out of that dude's body while he's still alive and then he's just like a living skeleton. Yeah, that was pretty good Little. So I have written down the scribbled notes here. Oh, um, yeah, all the whole movie references we mentioned that.

Speaker 1: 18:36

Oh, the gin evolves, like as he gets more powerful, the more souls he collects, he like gets more muscular. There's more like toning structure to the way that he looks as a creature. His tentacles that are coming out of that, his tentacle dreads, whatever they're called, his power nobs, power nodules out of his back, of his head get longer and more distinct. And the beginning is kind of funny because he's like a little, he's a little dude and he's crawling over the first victim and he's like what would you wish for If you could wish for something? You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 19:07

He's very like suggestive in the beginning because he's like all weak and it kind of reminds me of like there's a character called Cell in Dragon Ball Z who like also gets more power by absorbing people but he literally is scaly and tentacly and has a suction tube, kind of like the gin and I'm like this is all happening at the same time, like which one came first. Like the gin in this movie or Cell in Dragon Ball Z, because it's almost like the exact same, like evolution of powers, like how they distribute everything. This is a real fun movie. And like I had fun breaking away from like the bad romance or relationship things to go and like let's watch the worst marriage to the big boy, I have a feeling that I'm gonna sneak in all three of the sequels into this year's minor.

Speaker 2: 19:55

Bring it on, yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:58

And folks, if you're wondering, they're all available on 2B right now, so go watch them before they disappear. Yeah, that's it. That's favorite bits and the ratings. Jordan, tell the audience how we read things around here.

Speaker 2: 20:10

Yes. So you hear it here and I'll lay it out for you. We've got Binge Now, binge Later, binge Never. Binge Now is go run right now.

Speaker 2: 20:24

Watch it right. Like John said, it's on 2B, Binge Later is. It's definitely worth your while. Put it on the list but get around to it and then Binge Never is. Don't waste your time. So that's the rating. This was a Binge Now, for me for sure. I feel like if I were to like, if I were putting myself back in the day of late 90s television, like early 2000s and this came across my TV as a child like this would have been in the roto, like every single year, just because it just fits the vibe. I love the effects, I love the like, the scenes, like you mentioned, the gem when the camera's crawled through the gem. It just is such a little timepiece, so just makes me feel all the good feels. So what about you?

Speaker 1: 21:16

Yeah, it's definitely a Binge Now and I mean I've watched them all. I don't remember part four and I don't want to give it away to like. So, basically, I want Jordan to watch them, so I'm not going to spoil them for the audience as well, because if I were to, I mean like well, the subtitles in the movies give away the plots of them, which is kind of funny. Like the title tells you what it's about, which is kind of funny. It's funny, but there's like an iconic scene I think it's in part two that the whole franchise is known for. Like there's one wish that the dude, the genie, does, and when people think about Wishmaster they usually think of that scene. So like it's going to be funny to watch them with Jordan because she has fresh eyes and so she, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2: 22:06

See it through the lens of a newbie.

Speaker 1: 22:09

Yeah, a probie or whatever. Yeah, so I mean, but what a cool idea, like, what a good idea, like, yeah, I mean I bet you, if you look up the mythology, maybe there was always a mischievous or bent angle to the wishes. Who knows, right, like, how much they're borrowing from mythology and how much is like made up if the wishes could kill you or whatever? Yeah, an easy binge now. I mean probably from the top of the episode. There was no conflict or guessing on this one. You know what I mean, right, oh, yeah, like the way this is going, like they could probably figure it out. On TikTok, they think that's for watching Starman. One dude said, oh, I love that growing up in the 80s or bomb my daddy used to show me that all the time. So, like you said, if you had seen Wishmaster in the 90s, you'd watch it all the time. This guy's, like my dad, showed me Starman all the time.

Speaker 1: 22:57

We covered that movie a couple weeks ago, guys putting clips. We've been throwing out clips of our episodes in short form content, which is kind of funny because, like, long form is the point. But then we've been doing clippies and I'm like, oh, we're talking for 45 minutes, so we're going to have 25 one minute clips. In some ways that's what it feels like, but I'm glad that people are happy in responding to the clippies. Staff picks. If you watched anything else that you want to share with the audience, it isn't the movie of the week. Do you have anything this week, jordan?

Speaker 2: 23:29

I brought contributions this week. I wanted to just kind of loop in something that you said from the beginning of the episode. You mentioned, gone Girl. There is a pretty cool three part series docu-series on Netflix right now. It's called American Nightmare. It's kind of about like a real life Gone Girl scenario. That's just it's worth the watch. It's incredibly wild. Go watch it. Essentially this Guy and Girl get abducted and then, well, it's essentially a home invasion but she's the only one who gets abducted and then she essentially gets released like hours it's days later and they essentially go through the entire process. But essentially the entire nation thought that they had made it up and so goes into detail about that. It was all over essentially the news, especially in the California area, and they had referred to it as a real life Gone Girl. So definitely worth the watch. So just wanted to make a little recommendation there based off of the beginning of the episode.

Speaker 2: 24:36

But we watched a movie from 2007 called Sunshine. We watched it on YouTube. We were able to rent it there. It's with Killian Murphy, you've got Rose Byrne, chris Evans and essentially it's a sci-fi movie. It's about essentially these astronauts that are set into space to essentially restart our sun Like this is obviously in the future. The Earth is frozen over, super cold and they essentially have to deliver this payload that would start the sun essentially back up to provide heat to the Earth and keep our planet alive.

Speaker 1: 25:16

Their mistake was looking for the first spaceship that went up to there to do it. Oh boy, yeah, I love this movie that you're talking about right now.

Speaker 2: 25:22

Super good, it's like a slag for movie in space.

Speaker 2: 25:25

It is yeah, because I didn't expect for it to turn that way. I was like, oh OK, I don't know, I was seeking more along the lines and I think that's why I liked it so much is like there's a lot of good science behind it and so I was getting interstellar vibes. It's really cool to watch. But then it kind of takes a turn in the middle of the movie, like genre-wise, where you're like, oh shit, like this things out there to kill all of the people who are on the shuttle how?

Speaker 1: 25:55

about the sun fetish, where you want to expose yourself to the sun and you're like, well, you're burning yourself to death.

Speaker 2: 26:01

Basically, I said that's how I would go. I would have been that guy who's addicted to the sun and you could kind of see him. He's getting old-hand and blistery and stuff because he's so addicted to the sun and he loves to just stare at it and look into it. And that part was predictable. When he essentially like helps Ash or not, it's like get over from the original you know space station to this, to the second one, and I saw him. He's like okay, still breathing, and I was like oh, I know how he's gonna go. He's going back into that room and he's like ready to just one of the craziest parts is Chris Evans is in the movie Our boy, captain America.

Speaker 1: 26:41

He's just playing like an engineer. But then they figure out like the psychopath from the other ship has booby trapped or like he or sabotage their ship and they got to reset the supercomputer. But of course the supercomputer is buried in liquid nitrogen and so if they go in the tank they're gonna essentially instantly freeze themselves to death. And he's like oh Shit, I'm the most qualified technician to go reset the computer. Yeah, suicide mission dude, yeah oh. Oh, not even by default, like not even pulling short straws, just like literally.

Speaker 2: 27:15

Oh, the only one that knows how to reset the, the computer, or whatever the cool part about these movies is you're like literally on the edge of your seat the whole entire time. There's so much anxiety like putting yourself into the scenario. So it was a fun watch. We really liked it oh.

Speaker 1: 27:30

Yeah, and I guess we should mention that the mission can't fail, otherwise everybody on earth is toast because they're trying to reignite a dying son or whatever with like a nuclear Missile or something on them, because we're like in this, there's like an ice age or I don't know. Anyway, the Sun's not as strong as it should be and they're trying to Bring it back to life.

Speaker 2: 27:51

Oh, Suns dying. What do you?

Speaker 1: 27:54

know how much is based on real science, but it's a side psychological thrillers Jordan mentioned anyway, that one's actually podcast worthy. I mean it's made by Danny Boyle Is that the director's name? Yeah, maybe, yeah, and he did 28 days later. So it's like him. And killing Murphy rejoined for this. I Don't know if you could call it a horror movie, but it definitely has some horror movie type moments. But it's good. It's good. Anyway. Folks watch it. Anyone Speaking of horrific things, watching the fourth season Is it the fourth?

Speaker 1: 28:27

Yeah, season four of true detective is called night country. I'm getting a little bummed out because it's not clear yet what the crimes in this one are all about. Or the perspective of the characters are kind of not clear yet either, except they're all dysfunctional and, and Because they're in like an isolated town in Alaska, their relationships are almost insetuous. Like that. The chief of police played by a Jodi Foster has like slept with most of everybody in town. Men and women Burnout relationships with all of them.

Speaker 1: 29:05

But this one's bending like, not just like. So they discussed like ideology and philosophy and religion and spirituality and the supernatural as we understand it. In the other seasons, like, we talked about it as like ideology and icons, but in this season it's like a living, breathing element of the show, which is kind of frustrating because it makes the the threat. As you were talking about the movie you just watched, the threat seemed to be posed and felt realistic, right like on the edge of your seat. In this, because of the supernatural elements, you don't feel threatened Because you're like oh yeah, ghost and goblins. Okay, you know what I mean. You don't feel the human threat as a present force of nature because there's so many mystical elements.

Speaker 2: 29:58

You're just like okay, I'm right right, well, and I think that like spiritual mess of the of, like what they're trying to portray isn't the threat right, like that's kind of what they're trying to establish with the rules of that, like spiritual guide. It's like sometimes they're there to help you, sometimes they're there to tell you something, sometimes they are there to hurt you, and so it's like, I mean, I guess, I guess, my conflict is the other ones were grounded in reality in such a way that the threat is could be Like in our world, right, right.

Speaker 1: 30:27

And in this one you'd have to accept ghosts exist. You have to accept this supernatural element of it and if it's just a demon, you're just like whatever it takes away. What made the other ones work? The other seasons work, however I was, I was thinking that Maybe in the beginning of the season that the scientists just woke up like an, an ancient virus that we don't have an antibody for and it's making people hallucinate, that it's not actually Supernatural, that people are just hallucinating because they've contaminated the drinking water. And if that came, if that became the truth of the sea, I'd be like oh, you know what I mean, but I don't think it's going that way. But that would be really cool.

Speaker 2: 31:04

I would also agree that like the arc of the story is kind of hard to figure out. I'm not that far in right now. I'm like I think I'm still in the middle of like the third episode. Yeah, I'm only on like the third episode halfway through so and I don't really know how many episodes are out.

Speaker 1: 31:24

Seriously, as if I was really gonna spoil who's dead.

Speaker 2: 31:27

I'm like.

Speaker 1: 31:30

I was. That's it. Let's wrap it up, okay. Thank you for listening. You can tune in, you can comment on our YouTube or a cast box. You can listen wherever the hell podcasts are these days. Or you can watch it on YouTube or you can watch the clippies. We can stumble upon our social channels and watch them as clips. We'll be back with another twisted Relationship style movie next week. I Was. I used to tell people so they could watch it, but maybe I'll just like Maybe this whole year I'll say nothing and people just turn it on and figure it out. You know, as you said, if you're stumbling through something in the middle of not like flipping through channels on cable TV Like what is this? Let me tune in, let me. That's how we'll do it. Now About who dies in that show we were talking about which character are you attached to?

Speaker 2: 32:30

you're going to jail. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, you're going. You're going to show jail.

Speaker 1: 32:41

Dang, you've ever been in a movie theater with people spoiling the movie as you're watching that? No because, repeat watchers explaining the plot to somebody next to you.

Speaker 2: 32:50

No, because I'm typically the repeat watcher and I know how to keep my mouth shut in the movie. My least favorite is people who had just give you Taco Bell. It's yeah, but I'm good, I'm silent, I'm good to go. But let me tell you, the worst thing to do in a movie is to ask questions in which the plot will reveal. That's the whole point of the movie is to have questions and let the movie tell you what the answer is. And so why do you think people ask?

Speaker 1: 33:15

that, as they're watching, like they can't process the information or they can't handle the stress.

Speaker 2: 33:20

It's probably the stress, honestly, like they want answers now and I'm like if you were to watch, you would find out you and I are in the same boat, right? I don't know more information, that's, yeah. That's how I feel. So, anyways, yeah.