Stocking Stuffer Batman Returns Plus Unusual Holiday Traditions On Binge-Watchers Podcast

Ever wondered why the Germans hang pickles on their Christmas trees, or why the Japanese devour KFC on Christmas Day? Our holiday special takes you on a global voyage, uncovering some of the most unusual and intriguing traditions celebrated around the world during the festive period. Not just that, we also dig into our own unique family customs, giving a whole new twist to Santa's elves. Brace yourself for a hearty laugh as we share hilarious listener comments and brainstorm on the quirkiest holiday movie plots.

If you're a movie buff, you're in for a treat! We've combined our love for films and the holiday spirit in a unique way. Our journey to Gotham City revisits the iconic characters of Batman Returns, discussing everything from our favorite movies of the main cast to behind-the-scenes secrets and challenges during the making of the film. You wouldn't want to miss the fascinating discussion on the unique representation of the Penguin and Catwoman, or our recommendations for other films to watch this holiday season.

As we wrap up, we open the floor to a lively discussion about the various actors who have stepped into the shoes of the iconic Batman. How do Michael Keaton and Christian Bale compare to the comic book version of Batman? Our opinions might surprise you! We also touch on some recent films we've enjoyed, that masterfully blend crime and sci-fi elements. As we bid you goodbye, we hope you’re as excited for the holidays as we are, and that our episode has added a sprinkle of joy and laughter to your festivities.

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Speaker 1: 0:28

you've stumbled into some kind to show it's binge watchers podcast, we're here to stuff your stockings with another movie. Usually I only spoil the movies that I love. Of course they'd like to call me Johnny Spoiler, the name just stuck around. Joined is Always by the Savage Holiday Queen.

Speaker 2: 0:50

I am not Holiday Queen Jordan Savage Usually call her freaking.

Speaker 1: 0:53

You know Scream Queen, like a Scream Queen from the, from the scary movies. You know guys, you know what I'm saying and we're going to do a little podcast show thing for you. Let's see what are we? What are we? What are we? What do we got for stocking stuffers this week? Let's take a look. Let's reveal this movie, bam. Oh, that was too well practiced. I just got this in my stocking. I have no idea what it is. Batman Returns it's actually on a in a double feature DVD with the other.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Batman from the 80s we're talking about. Yeah, it's Batman 89. All right, before we go into the movie, really I want to talk about like maybe some like unusual holiday traditions or weird X-mas type stuff that happens or anything that might be like in our own dysfunctional family trees, like holiday festivities, traditions, whatever. One thing is on like on like every. Well, I looked up like okay, with my buddy, you know little internet search. It's like and it's not powered by AI. Folks, not everything's AI, some things are just a search engine. Okay, I don't, I don't need to chat. Gtps help to like look up all weird Christmases On several lists. Basically every list of weird Christmas stuff was the same. I'm looking at 30 articles. They're all saying the same five or six, really. Well, number one is Krampus and I'm like, oh yeah, because in the last 10 years Krampus has become like more popular than Santa Claus. So Austria, apparently Austria claims him or whatever. So then somewhere in Germany they're putting pickles in trees, they're just dangling pickles or something.

Speaker 2: 2:42

Interesting, I don't know why?

Speaker 1: 2:44

Why would you hang up a pickle at Christmas time? It seems like there should be a different pickle magic person. Like at a different time of the year they could have their own pickle thing happen. But I gotta look this up.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Yeah, that was pretty strange. Apparently, the Danish are the ones who may have started the stockings, but they were like their little booties or like their actual shoes, but then by the fireplace. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So you put your shoes by the fireplace hoping to get something nice in your shoe, and the bad kids didn't get coal at the. It seems more like a joke, like if they wanted to play a joke on the kids they would stick a potato in the shoe. But I'm thinking, if it's you know, 1500, 1600, 1800s, even a potato might be a good present, because you're starving. You might want that, you might actually want the potato Potatoes look pretty good.

Speaker 1: 3:36

Exactly, Make potato soup or something you know, get yourself warmed by that fire. But I just think like booties or socks actually next to a fire, I mean I don't. Some people who own homes might actually hang stockings from the front of a real fireplace. But I'm still thinking like, doesn't it just seem like a fire hazard, Like you're just gonna melt your stockings down to nothingness?

Speaker 2: 3:57

It's always when, like, things start smelling like they're burning and you're like raising the Christmas lights kind of are going off in your brain, where you're like with the duchess that they use. Those clogs used to be made of wood, but then you put it next to a fire. Even worse, right, you got wood in shoes and a little fire.

Speaker 1: 4:17

What is happening here? What is happening? I do love the idea of like the old school days living on the farm, or the medieval days where your most prized possession might be some kind of animal a cow, a goat perhaps and it's like everybody is going to barn up together in our little mud hut or whatever. You know what I mean. That's, then, some real holidays, you know, like everybody just gathering together, you know.

Speaker 1: 4:40

I love it with there, whatever I don't know. And then the Japanese eating KFC at Christmas time is like on everybody's lists I saw other podcasters talking about on Instagram and it's on all these lists also. That like that's the big thing. This is like 20 years ago. You know, kfc took off in Japan For some reason. It's like, it's like a yule, it's like a.

Speaker 1: 5:06

Somehow it became like a seasonal thing that like every that the families in Japan are going, which is like it seems like that's the most American thing. Or do you know what I mean? Like why aren't we sitting here eating KFC around the Christmas tree? You know what I mean? Like, thought about this, it was like, forget turkeys and hams, why the hell don't we just have a bucket of chicken? You don't know, you don't say Anyway, so I don't find that very weird, I find that very like.

Speaker 1: 5:34

I like that one. It's a good idea. Just get a family bucket of chicken, you know, and sit around and and we can all have the same cardiovascular experience during the holidays. Let's see what else is going on. Oh, and then any weird traditions in our family. You know, it's like out to me, I don't know how many, I don't know like who does this really? But like the two things that come to mind, I might have mentioned one of them last year, I thought. I thought I talked about what my dad did. I think last year I mentioned that. I tell you the story about like my dad Would make the elves like actually more like aliens. So like his elves were green, just like little green men, but they were little green elves instead. So he always had the myth of like the Santa Claus helpers. Instead of like, because idea was like there was. There wasn't a Santa Claus Figure, but he would recruit others right.

Speaker 1: 6:28

And then then you'd have this magic touch you every year or whatever, so like he would do that thing or he would put on like he'd come out with green makeup on his face.

Speaker 2: 6:37

It's happening.

Speaker 1: 6:38

Kids, you got to go to sleep. The transformation has begun, you know I mean, yeah, he's like I got work to do, you know. You know I mean I gotta get to work, santa's helper.

Speaker 2: 6:44

That's I don't, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 6:46

And then on my mom's side there's this thing called a money ball. It would take like ribbon and like the kind of like, but it's like paper ribbon, you know. I mean, you get those like decorations, but if you roll them up they, yeah, they start to become a ball. And if you tape, tape money like coins coins kids. There used to be actual metal money in the United States called coins, actual physical money that existed, that had value, mineral value, because they were made out of minerals Believe it or not, they're made out of rocks and they had value. They're pretty much scarce. It's almost like they're myth, mythological now, but um, so would roll money up in there. Later on I feel like they maybe have put some gift cards or Actual dollars in for the teenagers, but that doesn't really roll up that well, especially if it's taped inside. So the ball just gets bigger and bigger, right, Right, and For the most part it's chump change. It's like you're a little kid. So you know you, you get ten dollars worth of change. It's awesome, right? Or twenty dollars.

Speaker 2: 7:51

I mean.

Speaker 1: 7:52

I don't know who won the lottery that year. You know who sold the prize cow? We were talking about animals in your houses earlier during holiday times to keep them because they had value. But uh, look, I think we went one year. Those damn balls who there was like 300 bucks. You know that was.

Speaker 2: 8:09

That was killer.

Speaker 1: 8:10

And I buy a lot of Ninja Turtles, a lot of burritos from down the, down the gas station on the hill. I'm gonna get some super in some Nintendo games. You got anything like anything stand out like in your um.

Speaker 2: 8:24

No, like did, or whatever basic stuff, but the best one that I had was my my brother's father's Christmas. Had only gone with him once to my, to my brother's dad's house, and they actually had a pink bunny costume like from the from a Christmas story, and it would like be Re-gifted every single year to one person, but you wouldn't know, like, oh it's like an inner and inner gift.

Speaker 2: 8:50

It's like a joke gift and, yeah, family inherits this and gets it item or whatever pretty much, and you had to wear it that whole day too. So I don't know like how they select the person for the following year to get it like if it's a draw on that day. But I thought that was pretty fun so I liked that. But do you?

Speaker 1: 9:11

know where my first thought went. It's like whoever makes somebody mad at the dinner table or yeah, it's bunny, bunny time out.

Speaker 2: 9:19

Yeah, yeah, but I thought that was super fun.

Speaker 1: 9:22

That's actually really cool. I hadn't heard of that ever, so that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 9:26

Yeah, that's about it.

Speaker 1: 9:29

Home video headlines. Here's another holiday playlist for you. How about? How about this lineup die hard to lethal weapon, bad Santa, love bad Santa, white reindeer and the night before. So let's, let's break these down. So diehard is probably the most rewatched Movie of the season for me. I realized, like when I'm putting those lists of that, I go like, why is diehard too here? Oh, because, without any kind of like nudging or or Influence or whatever, if I'm just kicking back watching TV, I'm gonna find my way to diehard too you know, over, actually over the original.

Speaker 1: 10:12

It still happens at the holidays, it's still still Christmas related action movie. And then I actually forgot. I Forgot lethal weapon takes place at Christmas and I guess like the contrast of that movie is like they play like jingabelle rock and like all the all I want for Christmas and like they have some you know, the usual Christmas songs on the soundtrack, but I guess that's the juxtaposition of like so the murtarr family has like a bunch of kids and they do the family thing and then Riggs on the other side is like you know, one of the main plot points is like that his wife is dead and he's alone. So like to have the story take place during the holidays, like just even more present, that those feelings right. Just set the story in.

Speaker 1: 10:57

Oh, bad Santa is basically a Christmas heist with a bad Santa played by Billy Bob Thorne. Actually this is not my favorite movie with Billy Bob, but it's. If you want like an R rated Santa Claus movie and you want a grown-up movie for the holidays, you go to bad Santa. There is a sequel, if you like. Kathy Bates. She plays his very twisted mother in part two to find out why he ended up being a bad Santa in the first place. However, I think like my favorite Billy Bob movie is probably he plays the NASA director and Armageddon, so and then oh the oh white reindeer is a really kind of twisted story.

Speaker 1: 11:36

I think like the woman's husband is dead and she's a realtor and she finds out he's like spent all their money on cocaine and swingers events or something like that, and so she is, she starts to get interact with his secret social group that he was a Part of and she kind of like has a nervous breakdown at the, at the holiday time, naturally, right. Her husband dies and she finds out they have nothing or whatever and yeah, and I think like they have the nervous breakdown start pretty much like as the movie starts and it just gets Really like unraveled from there. This is not a movie that I would. I just general. I wouldn't recommend it in a general basis. You know what I mean. But if you're gonna go out of the way and see something cuz like even at one point there's like a swinger sequence, you know what I mean like she goes to one of our days and yeah, I'd say some jingle bells type stuff is happening there.

Speaker 1: 12:29

Use your imagination, folks yeah, and then, oh, the night before I, I watched this movie probably like twice a year actually, once during the holidays and once just whenever I'm reminded about it. It's actually pretty good. It's like there's Seth Rogen, yeah, just in Gordon Levy and Anthony Mackie. They're like the three main characters. They're friends who like grew up together. Then Joseph Gordon Levitt's character his parents die around Christmas. So then every year the two friends come back and like kind of have like a Christmas anniversary with them to deal with that. But then, like as they, as they now go into like what their permanent lives are gonna be, they're kind of settling down, like they're moving out of like celebrating the Christmas. But one thing they haven't been able to do is like they keep hearing about this party. So they're kind of on a mystical quest for this like elusive.

Speaker 1: 13:19

Legendary yeah, legendary party, like the best party in the city, and and then you find out the story is magic obviously. I mean there's some wonderful life-esque angel type magic and that the party has like a magic element to it and they're gonna end up there for the first time in like the ten years They've been doing this stuff or whatever. It's funny, it's super funny. It is a good one. Take a look at it. Wow. Okay, we've arrived at tonight's movie. It's called Batman Returns. The penguin runs for the mayor While Batman and Catwoman get mixed up in mistletoe. You got Michael Keaton is Batman, who was kind of like exclusively known as Batman 89? Referred to in the multiverse of Batman's in the comic books. It's Batman 89. You got Michelle Pfeiffer, danny DeVito, christopher Walken.

Speaker 1: 14:11

The movie is once again scored by Danny Elfman and directed, of course, by Tim Burton. Um, okay, so if I want to crack open some of the lovely movies from the cast, it's kind of my new thing that I want to do on here. I is Michael Keaton, his Batman, of course, which we just literally said two seconds ago, which I'm gonna see them in. I think, like I guess I'm also basing these on my gut right like what do, I think, are like the Best movies from the main cast, right. So there's a movie called gung-ho that he's in and that movie actually created our feel-good movie lineup. We do a whole month of feel-good movies. Gung-ho is the inspiration behind the entire series. Wow, little trivia. A little trivia about our own show, the founder, where he plays Thanks, ray Kroc, right, who who kind of swindles the McDonald's corporation out of them from the McDonald's brothers, but whatever, yeah, I watch the founder a lot.

Speaker 1: 15:11

And then Beetlejuice was special to me as a kid. We mentioned Beetlejuice last week, mm-hmm, because there's a crossover with the cast member from the Dracula movie we covered before. But, um, iconic, I remember, yeah, I cut. Yeah, I remember having all the toys or whatever. So that was, that was a big deal to me when I was a kid. However, I feel like you know, spotlights also good, bird man's also good, michelle Pfeiffer, dangerous minds, or a movie called the story of us. Or how about Wolf, which is kind of Wolfman, where we're related. Those are some of my favorite movies with her. Danny DeVito I tend to like stuff earlier. Danny DeVito, right, I mean we could acknowledge that he's in all was sunny, but I actually like him and get shorty or twins, or even this movie called other people's money, which is like one of his older, older movies. Who's next on this list? Christopher Walken. I actually think this Batman Returns is probably the first movie that I saw him in Playing one of the villains. Today, max Shrek playing a business tycoon.

Speaker 2: 16:23

But he's great. Tim Burton, lateral one is sleepy hollow, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:28

He plays the headless horseman in sleepy hollow, which is pretty good, but I was going for. He plays a haunted psychic in the dead zone, which is a Stephen King story and they adapted it to a movie and we actually covered a movie about a female bounty hunter Way at the beginning of the year and he plays the crazy TV producer that's trying to turn her bounty hunter life into a reality show. Set out, bring that up, tie it back in. Oh, and I love this movie he's in called Kingdom New York, where he plays like a crime kingpin. That's it. I mean, that's the main cast. The cast is filled with other people, obviously, but I just focused on the three villains and Batman himself and Check this out. It's time to go to our theme song. I've been so excited I didn't even play our theme song. Here it is, just remind people what show they're in.

Speaker 2: 17:19

Crack open a cold box of wine or pour something cold on ice, because it's the binge watches podcast.

Speaker 1: 17:57

No back. Can you show you were already listening to before. I took time out to play the theme song. Usually I play. It makes more sense when I play at the beginning of the show. But whatever I wanted to show Jordan, the new video that we made for that was yeah, you're watching this episode, you'll get it, but if you're just listening, you'll be like I have no idea what you're talking about. Move on, there's a burning bowling ball. That's all I can tell you. Um, where are we? Oh, about to pass over the spotlight to Jordan for some savage stats about Batman Returns.

Speaker 2: 18:29

All right, I've got lots of stats, so cut me off anywhere anytime, right, we don't want real, real fresh now.

Speaker 1: 18:37

We don't want me getting drunk on stats. Here's some killer iconic movies. What are you gonna tell us about?

Speaker 2: 18:45

okay. So, starting off with the movies, tone and depiction of certain characters, especially around the penguin and cat woman, they differed Significantly from the comic book versions of themselves. This departure did cause, of course, some controversy, among comic book fans specifically, but still to note, like unlike many superhero movies, that this specific movie doesn't focus on a single villain. Right, it's got three main antagonists. You have Danny DeVito as a penguin, you have Catwoman with Michelle Pfeiffer and then Max Schreck, of course, christopher Walken so many stats about like those specific people's transformation.

Speaker 2: 19:30

Starting off with Michelle Pfeiffer, she actually had her costume vacuum sealed to her body so it'd be fitted on her and then they would vacuum seal it so it would only allow for her to do her scenes with so much time allotted or else she would like practically pass out, which is crazy, like suffocate, right, yeah, she would suffocate. She also couldn't hear her own voice while wearing the costume because it was so tight, so she had to constantly be checked with her actual volume because she was like shouting so loud on set. In addition to that, she had to be covered in talcum powder in order to wear it comfortably and does not get nostalgic, although incredibly iconic, does not get nostalgic for the costume at all. She said she'd be happy to never have to see it ever again in her life. Although it is I mean it's up there in my favor it's worth the Catwoman costume.

Speaker 1: 20:30

I believe Catwoman is a whole search on porn.

Speaker 2: 20:34

I guarantee it is, and she's probably the reason, the reason why exactly.

Speaker 1: 20:40

Well, eartha Kitt. Eartha Kitt's a pretty sexy Catwoman in the like. There's two other Catwomen. What's the other Catwoman's?

Speaker 2: 20:48

name. Well, there's also Anne Hathaway, there's Zoey Gravitt. Nothing after Michelle Fiverr I was talking about like this Okay, whatever.

Speaker 1: 20:55

The 1960s Batman show. They had, like I think, two other Catwomen.

Speaker 2: 20:58

So, but that's okay, let's just talk about the lineup as a whole. You can't go wrong, okay? They're all really good looking Cat ladies, so A plus for them. So Danny DeVito his makeup took about, I think, like three hours every single day to get that grotesque of an appearance. So they had to completely redo his trailer so that they took out cabinets so he could put in like movies and had movies be brought in while he actually had his makeup done. His costume also was so scary. The monkey that's in the film was like incredibly terrified of Danny DeVito specifically, and at one point in filming the monkey had like tried to attack him. I think it was like the first time that the monkey had come across Danny DeVito when he's like handing essentially the letter.

Speaker 1: 21:49

All the goons in the movie are from a circus, all hit. He's got like clowns, and I mean at one point he has missile strapped penguins, but which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 22:02

Okay. So Tim Burton, of course, brought his signature darks and gothic style to the film, which, okay, love it. This is iconic for that specific reason.

Speaker 1: 22:15

If we're talking back with Beetlejuice, with the whole, and this is actually like Primo Tim Burton, because this is before he starts using like CGI, so he's still painting and building everything. So, yeah, it's incredible Absolutely incredible.

Speaker 2: 22:29

I'd like to design a control on his early movie.

Speaker 2: 22:30

Well, and they said it was like one of the largest that was built. They had to like create they built them in the English countryside, of course, like shipped them back on over that the sets itself had shifted so frequently because they were all actually mobile and movable, that Michelle Pfeiffer was like constantly getting lost on set because it would shift so frequently throughout the day. The penguins themselves also were really hard to get. There was only like very few King penguins that were actually trained and in captivity, so the penguins had like their own complete side of set for themselves with refrigerated pools.

Speaker 1: 23:16

Spoiler alert they have to do a funeral walk with the penguin when he dies, so it's like a Roman funeral, like they're dragging their general do his grave.

Speaker 2: 23:23

Well, and they also do have, like you know, robotic or animatronic penguins in the movie in addition to real penguins, and they had said that. Honestly, the penguins were so incredibly happy in this like making of the movie that some of them were like often laying eggs. They were like super content and one story was-.

Speaker 1: 23:48

So they made them like a winter wonderland in, like a fake zoo or something.

Speaker 2: 23:52

Completely like perfect temperatures. They had around the clock bodyguards and then even a moment where they were like trying to put away the robotic penguins, they came across an actual, real life penguin that was snuggled up to the mechanical one. So penguins were pretty happy, treated pretty well on this movie. I thought that was pretty cute.

Speaker 1: 24:17

Of course, while Batman Returns was commercially successful, it was a bit polarizing among audiences, as I mentioned before, because it was a little bit- it's like I remember there was controversy when they announced Michael Keaton as Batman because I'm not sure what he had done a couple I don't know what he did before Batman, but like they're like you mean the standup comedian Michael Keaton, you know what I mean. There's like and there's actually like there's a documentary about that, like who is the Batman, who's gonna play him? And there's a bunch of news footage of like people on the street, like man on the street, footage of like Michael Keaton the Batman, no, no.

Speaker 1: 24:54

So I think, like you know, the comic book fans are rabid, as now, with all their freaking social media accounts, like no, we're still going on, you know, back in the whatever.

Speaker 2: 25:04

Kind of reminds me of Elf too, though, like they did not want Will Ferrell to do that at all and so like but can you even imagine Elf without him at this point? No, and you know, michael Keaton made for a great Batman. So yeah, that's it For some highlights, for some stats, some fun trivia for tonight's movie.

Speaker 1: 25:28

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Speaker 2: 26:17

I Would say, to start it off pretty early, the and you had just briefly mentioned them is the penguins gang of clowns. It's like a circus when he is Okay. So it's like that first scene at like the Gotham Square where the mayor is being introduced by Max Shrek.

Speaker 1: 26:42

Well, this is kind of like the rock of people for reality. This is like their version of lighting the Rockefeller Christmas tree in New York City.

Speaker 2: 26:50

Right and so they're trying to light the tree and this massive present comes out and it's actually the like goons, you know, the penguins goons and it just was like such classic, like timber and feels and vibes for me, you know, the costumes are so absolutely Outrageous and done incredibly well. I loved the like clown that was like a massive School on his head and there's people in stilts and Batman's just like going around and combating all of these like I don't know you, how do you, how do you combine a circus and Christmas? But it was just done like so incredibly well and it's just so like phantasmic and Very much done in a timber and way and I thought it was pretty rad. So that's a star. And also Michelle Pfeiffer's transformation, of course. You know Max Shrek put pushes hang it.

Speaker 1: 27:48

That's like my first bullet point under my favorite bits.

Speaker 2: 27:51

Really transformation.

Speaker 1: 27:52

Yeah, I started with, yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:56

I guess, chronologically, what had had started in the movie. Yeah, max Max Shrek pushing his assistant off of you know, a massive you know, through the building she falls to her death and Essentially that's like her first of nine lives and these cats just kind of swarm around her and she comes back as Catwoman. And my favorite part is when she goes back into her apartment because it's like all pink, it's very girly, and she goes back in and she just like completely wrecks it. She's free, painting the place black. She's preparing her catwoman Sue. I love that. There's a neon sign in her apartment and it originally says hello there and in her transformation she knocks out the oh and she knocks out the tea and it says hell here in it Once she's like completed the transformation and stand it in her apartment. I thought that whole, I mean it was all super good.

Speaker 1: 28:55

So I wrote Catwoman licking Batman. That's my favorite bit number two.

Speaker 1: 29:03

Okay or when the penguin bites his campaign clerk when they're when he's running for mayor. There's a scene where they get into an argument and I just remember he'd like bite some dude's nose off. That's my third favorite bit. I figured I'd be nice. I mean there's a lot to talk about. Like at one point his gang hacks the computer inside his batmobile and the penguin is Got his little kitty ride version of the batmobile and he's controlling the actual batmobile remotely Right and Batman's trying to avoid getting into an accident.

Speaker 1: 29:35

Going back to the cat transformation we didn't mention, like the cats are literally licking her wounds and then breathing life back into her. They go by nine lives. I don't know about Selena Kyle and the comic books actually having nine lines of cats. This movie wastes most of them. So even if they had it direct sequel, like let's bring the cat woman back, they kind of screwed up with that because they're like they use most the lives on this movie. So I mean, and he's like, oh, are we looking for criticisms? Well, there's one. Like the waste of the nine lives of Catwoman.

Speaker 1: 30:04

It's kind of nice that another spoiler alert he thinks he sees her. Obviously, obviously it's a star crossed love. It's a would be a bad romance we were talking about in February, like yeah, reasons why bat woman and cat woman can't hook up there on opposite sides of the conflict. But At the end of the movie he thinks he sees her in an alleyway on like Christmas Eve or whatever it is, and so he stops and gets out to see if he can catch her, to reunite with her After the fighting is all over with, and then she's just left one of her cats behind and then he takes, you know, like obviously it's an orphan cat. So he's like these Batman's Bruce Wayne's probably not gonna keep a cat in his mansion. He's probably not gonna make Alfred, like you know, scoop, yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:48

So I think like they're at least gonna house the cat for Christmas Eve and probably give it a bowl of milk, you know, yeah, and they're probably have to go to the hospital and get a little bit of milk, you know, yeah, they're probably have to, you know, foster it out or something. But Anyway, I had heard they had planned a third Batman with Michael Keaton, and if I was a better researcher or a better podcaster, maybe I would look up the reason, because I hadn't intended to talk about it, so I didn't look it up. I'm not gonna discredit myself as a podcaster or movie fan. I'm just gonna say like I hadn't intended to talk about the supposed third movie story, but some of its elements ended up in the next Batman, batman forever, where about Filmer plays Batman and the riddler shows up and two-faced shows up. Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't recall the reasons.

Speaker 1: 31:45

Keaton wasn't in number three, but Uh, let's see. Oh, okay, usually we say binge now, binge later, binge never. But I think Jordan had helped me create last week jingle now, jingle later, jingle never. Did I remember that correctly or did I write something?

Speaker 2: 32:04

I think I said unwrap it now or I don't know Something about being unwrapping the presence You're right, I don't know we might need to play it back whatever.

Speaker 1: 32:13

Um what do you land? Jingle it now, jingle it later, jingle it never.

Speaker 2: 32:19

Jingle it now. It was so great. Yeah, it was nostalgic, it was. Honestly. After watching this I'm like, okay, my Michael Keaton's definitely my Batman. I took a poll. I wanted to hear what people's thoughts were this week and a lot of people were saying Christian bail and I was like I don't know.

Speaker 1: 32:35

After watching this, Maybe because he's only in a TV show or a TV movie and it's not considered as cinematic as the other Batman like a I don't remember who played Batman. There is a 30s like movie, 40s movie. I don't know who that Batman is, but I think of Adam West from the 1960s show. Like I noticed, he wasn't included in your Whatever? But Batman 89 won you over. Huh it did.

Speaker 2: 33:07

Yeah, it just like some of my. It just reminded me of some of my favorite like iconic movies from not only Tim Burton, but like that kind of era era, I think, when you can do effects and things like that, when it's like People put their frickin blood sweat and stuff like that, I would say it's like neck and neck between Michael Keaton and Christian Bills, batman as cinematic Batman like Batman, batman on the screen.

Speaker 1: 33:34

But I think the most the way my imagination thinks about the comic book, who does the comic book right is Adam West. Like if we're thinking comic book Batman and then people are gonna think this is controversial, ben Affleck's Batman and Adam West are the closest to what I think is like the iteration of comic Batman. Like, and mostly bat fleck is taken from um geez I can't think of the artist's name because he did the dark night. The dark night returns. Like the Franks, frank Miller, frank Miller's Batman. A lot of Frank Miller's Batman is in Ben Affleck's Batman. But when you, if you read a bunch of Batman comics, like the personalities that seem to mold the comics and and how ridiculous they are, if you were trying to, if that Batman was walking around, I think would be either Ben Affleck or Adam West. I don't think it would be Christian Bale or I'm not even gonna name the other guy, it's not even. I'm not even gonna say his name out loud.

Speaker 2: 34:43

Oh, you're so funny.

Speaker 1: 34:45

I still kind of acknowledge him as an actor. So Anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, um, oh, if you watch something else that wasn't assigned, doesn't have the holiday spirit, or if you're watching your own holiday movies Besides Casper's Christmas or the original Casper, Actually watched so many movies yesterday.

Speaker 2: 35:17

Let's see if I can remember you crammed a whole bunch in. I watched like four different movies Yesterday. It was a little bit here.

Speaker 1: 35:23

I told her at the last minute that we were gonna still Go up tonight and do something.

Speaker 2: 35:29

One of them was the silencing. That was definitely the silencing. Yeah, it was good. The hell is that? Let me see if I can pull it up what it was. It is with the old movie, new movie, new movie. It's recently added to Netflix. It's a crime thriller. A former hunter begins tracking a killer who might have kidnapped his daughter in the past, and it is the actor who plays Jamie Lannister in the game of Thrones.

Speaker 1: 36:04

Oh, oh, I think it's so good, so good.

Speaker 2: 36:14

I was on the edge of my seat. Hmm the whole time. That was really good. I did watch some like sci-fi thing, that until you said his name.

Speaker 1: 36:24

The description of the movie was like paint, by numbers, like every movie, every, every espionage movie that ever I'll go into detail. So his character is I don't want to know more about that one. I want to hear the next one the other one, what was it called?

Speaker 2: 36:45

it had Alexander Skars guard in it. It's sci-fi, and it was. I'll have to find it. It was a cute love story, but in sci-fi Germany. So Picture that. Yeah, I'll have to find it was really good. Oh, and I watched reptile. That was incredible. With beneath you. Yeah, I was on a crime spree yesterday. I guess so in watching movies, not actually.

Speaker 1: 37:26

Already watching me Means murder guys. We yeah exactly.

Speaker 2: 37:32

So that was a few of mine. You know what?

Speaker 1: 37:35

I watched a. I watched a crime adjacent story, actually what you watch a Canadian crime story, no less. It's called owning Mahoney. But the guy's real name in real life is Maloney kind of a stretch to change it from Maloney to Mahoney. But apparently, like this, bank manager is a gambling addiction, so every time he would take out a loan for a corporate client, he would, he would like pad it and add money to it, then take the extra money in their accounts and like fly off to either Atlantic City or Vegas from someplace in Canada, like a Vancouver bank or something. But it's Phyllis, philip Seymour Hoffman. I love him.

Speaker 1: 38:13

And then the fiance is played by mini driver, who's a cool British actor, actress. And then John Hurt, who's like a famous British actor Going all the way back to alien, where he got the alien. He's iconic imagery is like Aliens, like one of his first movies, and he's the guy that had the alien burst out of his chest. He's in a bunch of things. What it, what it was he in right before he died, I Don't know. Anyway, look him up, john Hurt, you'll see he's in a bunch of things.

Speaker 1: 38:46

But, um, he plays the Weasley casino manager or whatever, who's like yes, gamble all your millions. He's the one cop in rooms and he assigns, like some guy at the casino to like shadow, you know Mahoney, while he's at the tables and everything you know. Um. One thing I don't believe when they give him the free escort, I don't think he like I'm like, oh, you're trying to have a redeemable moment for the character, like he doesn't cheat on the girlfriend or whatever, but I'm like no high-priced escort walks in for fur coat. He just lost $60,000 at the table or something. He's not gonna spend the night with the hooker. Give me a break. Let's be honest about how people operate. Merry Christmas everyone. Happy holidays, happy Monica, happy guanza. You know talking about People's dark souls and happy holidays.

Speaker 2: 39:48

Happy hooker, I mean happy holidays, whatever.

Speaker 1: 39:51

That's a movie. The happy hooker goes to Washington is actually a movie. Doesn't surprise me. Something new every day on this show, it's true. It's true. Um, what else? Like, subscribe, leave a review if you like Batman Returns or you like that other guy who won't be named. And you know, we'll keep making shows. If you guys keep listening or watching, we'll definitely be here. And what else is going on? Not much the next time we come back we might do if there's time. I'm trying to get all the elements together for a new year special. I don't know That'll be wrapping it up or unwrapping it. Whichever way your mind goes depends. Otherwise, yeah, we'll be back in the new year. Some of our listeners are funny, like one dude was like oh, what happened to so and so? Or what did this happen to so and so? I'm like well, clearly you haven't been listening for like Months.

Speaker 2: 40:52

It's not there, so listen.

Speaker 1: 40:53

He's gonna listen to the Christmas episode next summer, you know, oh, but wait. Danny G on Instagram responded to last week's episode where we had made this funny plot out of like. We were talking about the way to really know you're doing well in 2023 is if you can afford your holiday tree. So you got that tree money honey, I'll petri money. We're developing a whole movie plot out of it and he said I wrote it down. He said, oh, he was suggesting that the tree money honey movie could be a Snoop Dogg holiday special.

Speaker 2: 41:24

I Would be so perfect I could. I can imagine Snoop Dogg narrating it in rhymes. You know, in the beginning, and it would, you gotta.

Speaker 1: 41:35

I mean, if you're getting him involved and he's actually doing narration but also playing a character and you got also do like the claymation Rankin bass 1960s, like Rudolph the reindeer and frosty snowman, like you know, like claymation, like there has to be a claymation sequence in Snoop Dogg holiday special.

Speaker 2: 41:51

Honestly, it would be so funny to do stop motion with Snoop on a stoop. You know, have you not seen Snoop on a stoop? It's just, it's a real thing. It's just like up on the shelf but it's like it's a dog and he's got like a little join out of his mouth or whatever you want to call it. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 42:10

You gotta whatever but parody of elf on the show.

Speaker 2: 42:13

Yeah, and so it would be so funny you could do a whole scene of stop motion with Snoop on a stoop doing you know funny stuff.

Speaker 1: 42:21

related activities, holiday related activities, you know okay, I believe you, I'm oh, I almost said your line again.

Speaker 2: 42:31

It's hard, it's contagious. Okay, don't pretend you hate it. Don't pretend you hate it. But yeah, I'm here for Snoop on a stoop. Wow like, like those trees up baby.

Speaker 1: 42:47

Or maybe don't put the stockings next to an actual fire don't. Like. What we'll find out is like oh no, you know. Kids misinterpreted what they were seeing. Santa Claus was never a toy maker or gift giver. He's a fireman who showed up in a red jacket to put out the damn fire when they burnt their stockings to the ground.

Speaker 2: 43:08

That actually seems like it makes sense, you know.

Speaker 1: 43:38

You.